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7 years 3 months ago #178270 by Jan
Sorry to ask again but I am still not clear about the following question in my previous post:

" I have read that if, for example, three of the descriptors for preparing food apply in different percentages e.g: 20%, 30%, 15% that, the total would qualify as the majority of the time, even though no one descriptor is applicable for 50% of the time. Also, that I should be awarded the points applicable to the 30% descriptor because that is the most frequent. Is this true?"

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7 years 3 months ago #178275 by Gordon

Jan wrote: Sorry to ask again but I am still not clear about the following question in my previous post:

" I have read that if, for example, three of the descriptors for preparing food apply in different percentages e.g: 20%, 30%, 15% that, the total would qualify as the majority of the time, even though no one descriptor is applicable for 50% of the time. Also, that I should be awarded the points applicable to the 30% descriptor because that is the most frequent. Is this true?"


As I said in answer to this question

Quoting percentages can make it difficult for those assessing you to understand how often you are effected. The legal definition is "on the majority of days" so if possible quote days rather than percentages. For example 15% is actually less than one day and 20% is only slightly over one day.

You also need to be careful of overlap, or at least the assumption of it. What I mean by this is having problems stopping you completing the activities at the same time; as a silly example; if you could not prepare and cook a meal 2 days a week due to needing prompting and two days a week due to physical problems, then this is principle adds up to four days and is therefore the majority of the time. However, if they overlap then you might actually be effected for only three days a week and not meet the test.

Where multiple Descriptors apply then it is the one that effects you most often that should be selected.


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7 years 3 months ago #178276 by Gordon

Jan wrote: Sorry to ask again but I am still not clear about the following question in my previous post:

" I have read that if, for example, three of the descriptors for preparing food apply in different percentages e.g: 20%, 30%, 15% that, the total would qualify as the majority of the time, even though no one descriptor is applicable for 50% of the time. Also, that I should be awarded the points applicable to the 30% descriptor because that is the most frequent. Is this true?"


As I said in answer to this question

Quoting percentages can make it difficult for those assessing you to understand how often you are effected. The legal definition is "on the majority of days" so if possible quote days rather than percentages. For example 15% is actually less than one day and 20% is only slightly over one day.

You also need to be careful of overlap, or at least the assumption of it. What I mean by this is having problems stopping you completing the activities at the same time; as a silly example; if you could not prepare and cook a meal 2 days a week due to needing prompting and two days a week due to physical problems, then this is principle adds up to four days and is therefore the majority of the time. However, if they overlap then you might actually be effected for only three days a week and not meet the test.

Where multiple Descriptors apply then it is the one that effects you most often that should be selected.


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7 years 3 months ago #178285 by Jan
Sorry! I had not seen Gordon's reply when I typed my last post, I think it came through whilst I was replying to Mrs Hurtyback's response.

Thank you for the advise about the different conditions overlapping. Does this apply even if the symptoms of each condition are the same?

I have e mailed B&W for a copy of the descriptors as you suggest.

Thank you. I will be in touch again soon. Need to prepare for the telephone call with my GP as very nervous. I know that he will not have time to do a detailed report as you suggest and how is he supposed to know exactly what my day to day life limitations are when I only see him for 10 minutes? It's crazy! He knows my overall disability, not the details.

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7 years 3 months ago #178292 by slugsta
Hi Jan,

Make sure that you make it clear if limitations you are describing occur together or whether they would be on different days. Don't allow DWP to simply assume that they overlap (unless they do!).

You are right, many GPs have no knowledge of the patient's day to day problems. Some wil have made an effort to find out how the patient manages from day to day, others just want to get them out of the door and the next one in!

If you don't think your GP can give much information in support of your claim, and time is short, you may decide not to bother - that is entirely your decision.

For future assessments, you might find it useful to view your GP records and get copies of anything you think helpful. There will probably be a charge for this.

Requesting your medical records

Charging for medical records

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7 years 3 months ago #178317 by Jan
Hi,

I am back again and still in need of some clarification regarding my earlier post. I have just reread page 18 & 19 of the PIP guide relating to when 'One Descriptor Applies', 'Two Descriptors Apply' and 'No Descriptors Apply'. Please could you confirm that I have understood this correctly because this could be crucial to my claim.

Using the example of 'Washing and Bathing':

If the following descriptors applied:

1) use an aid or appliance (grab rail & shower stool) at times that I can manage to bath or shower. (2)

2) need prompting to be able to wash and bathe due to severe fatigue - my carer prompts me to wash and bathe when my energy is very low and I would otherwise not bother (2)

3) need assistance to wash my hair due to fatigue and musculoskeletal pain - my carer does help with this (2)

4) need assistance to be able to get in and out of a bath or shower due to severe fatigue and dizziness - due to my carer being male (not a partner) I don't have this help, I just can't bath or shower on those days (3)

5) Cannot wash and bathe at all - due to severe fatigue when my energy collapses completely.

Should 4 & 5 just be 5 because I am not able to cope with a bath or shower at all when I am suffering from severe fatigue?

The only questions on the PIP form relate to the use of aids and needing help from another person. There is no mention of not being able to bathe at all.

Then comes the question of trying to proportion each descriptor. It's a minefield.

Page 18 & 19 of the guide refer to percentages, although Gordon advised against doing this in his response to my last post. I am confused.

Also, if none of the above descriptors individually apply the majority of the time, but added together they do, would I qualify for points at the level of the most frequently applicable descriptor (see page 19 of PIP guide)?

I hope I have made my question clear enough. I am really struggling to explain what I am trying to clarify.

Thank you for your patience and help with this.

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