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7 years 3 months ago #177100 by black2cat
DLA to PIP mentioning time was created by black2cat
My huband is moving DLA to PIP.
Please woud you kindly advise the following:
Has anybody mentioned on the PIP2 about how long an activity takes and how many times you need this help?
As this used to be on the DLA form and is in under extra information on the PIP2 form?
Are there any problems mentioning how long a task takes? not long enough or too exaggerated?
Any DWP guidance on, how long certain tasks should take or be expected to take, as I know there is one for walking a distance in a certain time?
And finally do the DWP use these times, across the different tasks and use this to indicate the amount of time and care that is needed, influcing the the finally award.
Thank you for reading.
Please woud you kindly advise the following:
Has anybody mentioned on the PIP2 about how long an activity takes and how many times you need this help?
As this used to be on the DLA form and is in under extra information on the PIP2 form?
Are there any problems mentioning how long a task takes? not long enough or too exaggerated?
Any DWP guidance on, how long certain tasks should take or be expected to take, as I know there is one for walking a distance in a certain time?
And finally do the DWP use these times, across the different tasks and use this to indicate the amount of time and care that is needed, influcing the the finally award.
Thank you for reading.
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7 years 3 months ago #177106 by Gordon
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Replied by Gordon on topic DLA to PIP mentioning time
black2cat
All of the PIP activities must be completed "reliably" and "on the majority of days not to score points.
Reliably means
• Safely – in a fashion that is unlikely to cause harm to themselves or to another person.
• To a necessary and appropriate standard – given the nature of the activity.
• Repeatedly – as often as is reasonably required.
• In a timely manner – in a reasonable time period.
So if you have issues with any activity in regard to the above then you should explain how your are affected and why, see the PIP Claim guide for more details.
As to the times to complete an activity, you should compare your ability to that which a healthy person would be expected to have. There are some walking speeds in DLA Appeals section you can use, be careful when quoting times that you understand what you are saying, for example; someone walking slowly for 5 minutes would likely exceed the 200m that PIP uses to score points.
The PIP assessment process is very different from DLA, where DLA looked at the amount of care that a claimant needed, PIP looks at the severity of their problems. This is explained in the guide.
Gordon
All of the PIP activities must be completed "reliably" and "on the majority of days not to score points.
Reliably means
• Safely – in a fashion that is unlikely to cause harm to themselves or to another person.
• To a necessary and appropriate standard – given the nature of the activity.
• Repeatedly – as often as is reasonably required.
• In a timely manner – in a reasonable time period.
So if you have issues with any activity in regard to the above then you should explain how your are affected and why, see the PIP Claim guide for more details.
As to the times to complete an activity, you should compare your ability to that which a healthy person would be expected to have. There are some walking speeds in DLA Appeals section you can use, be careful when quoting times that you understand what you are saying, for example; someone walking slowly for 5 minutes would likely exceed the 200m that PIP uses to score points.
The PIP assessment process is very different from DLA, where DLA looked at the amount of care that a claimant needed, PIP looks at the severity of their problems. This is explained in the guide.
Gordon
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7 years 3 months ago #177168 by Bill24chev
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I obtained this from the Rightsnet Forum
Find below the The Appeals Service Training Material. If anyone wants the EMP training material mentioned above then post a fax number
FACT SHEET 2 – SPEED OF PEDESTRIANS
Anecdotally it is said that a policeman on the beat, strolling along, walks at 2.5 mph (1.12 metres per second) and a soldier, quick marching, quick marches at 5 mph (2.24 metres per second).
[b]Research on Road Traffic (HMSO 1965) [/b]found average walking speed of adult pedestrians on level ground was about 3.4 mph (1.52 metres per second) and the age and sex influence walking speed.
AGE SEX WALKING SPEED
mph metres per sec
Under 55 M 3.7 1.65
Over 55 M 3.4 1.52
Under 50 F 3.1 1.39
Over 50 F 2.9 1.30
Woman with small child 1.6 0.72
Children over 6 and 2.5 1.12
under 10
Adolescents 4.0 1.79
Walking speeds found by the Road Research Laboratory equate to the following times which will be taken to cover 100 metres:
Male under 55 at 1.65 metres per second – 1 min 0.6 secs.
Male over 55 at 1.52 metres per second – 1 min 5.8 secs.
Female under 50 at 1.39 metres per second – 1 min 11.9 secs.
Female over 50 at 1.3 metres per second – 1 min 16.9 secs.
Female with small child at 0.72 metres per second – 2 min 18.9 secAll the above are averages. It is, however, possible to extrapolate all sorts of other information with the use of a calculator and put into perspective what is often said in evidence by appellants.
For example, if an over 55 year old were claiming to take 10 minutes to cover 100 metres, it would equate to 0.166 metres per second – i.e. about one ninth of the normal average speed for such a person. If it was said that the 10 minutes included a 2 minute rest, the speed would be 0.208 metres per second which would equate to about one seventh of the normal speed for an over 55 year old man. This information enables careful questioning to establish the appellant’s perception of their speed of walking and means that questions as to time taken to cover a particular distance can yield valuable information.
The following table shows the distance each of the categories would walk without stopping in 5 or 10 minutes:
5 minutes 10min
Male under 55 495 metres 990
Male over 55 456 metres 912
Female under 50 417 metres 834
Female over 50 390 metres 780
END OF FACT SHEET
Has it is from Government research (see reference above in bold), it should carry some weight FTT's for DLA but should be relevent to PIP Mobility.
Recent Righstnet Postings have mentiioned that HCP's are asking How long (in Time) can you walk for example using wording such as " Can you walk for X minutes"
This is a bit of a trap for the unsuspecting disabled person because, using the above timings walking for just one minute at just below half of normal pace will equate to a distance over 20meters and about 50meters.
I appologise for lengyh of this post but thinh theinfo is important
bill
Find below the The Appeals Service Training Material. If anyone wants the EMP training material mentioned above then post a fax number
FACT SHEET 2 – SPEED OF PEDESTRIANS
Anecdotally it is said that a policeman on the beat, strolling along, walks at 2.5 mph (1.12 metres per second) and a soldier, quick marching, quick marches at 5 mph (2.24 metres per second).
[b]Research on Road Traffic (HMSO 1965) [/b]found average walking speed of adult pedestrians on level ground was about 3.4 mph (1.52 metres per second) and the age and sex influence walking speed.
AGE SEX WALKING SPEED
mph metres per sec
Under 55 M 3.7 1.65
Over 55 M 3.4 1.52
Under 50 F 3.1 1.39
Over 50 F 2.9 1.30
Woman with small child 1.6 0.72
Children over 6 and 2.5 1.12
under 10
Adolescents 4.0 1.79
Walking speeds found by the Road Research Laboratory equate to the following times which will be taken to cover 100 metres:
Male under 55 at 1.65 metres per second – 1 min 0.6 secs.
Male over 55 at 1.52 metres per second – 1 min 5.8 secs.
Female under 50 at 1.39 metres per second – 1 min 11.9 secs.
Female over 50 at 1.3 metres per second – 1 min 16.9 secs.
Female with small child at 0.72 metres per second – 2 min 18.9 secAll the above are averages. It is, however, possible to extrapolate all sorts of other information with the use of a calculator and put into perspective what is often said in evidence by appellants.
For example, if an over 55 year old were claiming to take 10 minutes to cover 100 metres, it would equate to 0.166 metres per second – i.e. about one ninth of the normal average speed for such a person. If it was said that the 10 minutes included a 2 minute rest, the speed would be 0.208 metres per second which would equate to about one seventh of the normal speed for an over 55 year old man. This information enables careful questioning to establish the appellant’s perception of their speed of walking and means that questions as to time taken to cover a particular distance can yield valuable information.
The following table shows the distance each of the categories would walk without stopping in 5 or 10 minutes:
5 minutes 10min
Male under 55 495 metres 990
Male over 55 456 metres 912
Female under 50 417 metres 834
Female over 50 390 metres 780
END OF FACT SHEET
Has it is from Government research (see reference above in bold), it should carry some weight FTT's for DLA but should be relevent to PIP Mobility.
Recent Righstnet Postings have mentiioned that HCP's are asking How long (in Time) can you walk for example using wording such as " Can you walk for X minutes"
This is a bit of a trap for the unsuspecting disabled person because, using the above timings walking for just one minute at just below half of normal pace will equate to a distance over 20meters and about 50meters.
I appologise for lengyh of this post but thinh theinfo is important
bill
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