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7 years 2 months ago #178001 by DRAGON2009
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I would like to ask whether the use of a car would undermine a claim to PIP cooking component if it is partly based on a need for supervision due to concentration impact of mental health ? To my mind the activities are different. Cooking involves waiting and the possibility of the person wandering off into their thoughts, leaving to another room and forgetting. Driving is more automatic in nature once learned and it is not possible to 'leave the room' and rather hard to completely lose sight of the road and so whilst the perrson gets from A to B without incident they may still be prone to forgetfulness and distractiuon in the home. But I can see the logic in the DWP dropping the question and then almost certainly interpreting it to undermine any claimed cognitive deficits

As regards the social contact descriptor I have heard horror stories of driving being suggested as implying willingness to socially engage and also I am concerned about whether simple shopping transactions in a local shop would be evidence to suggest ability t socially engage without severe distress whereas in actuality simply going in putting the stuff in front of the cashier and putting the debit card into the payment machine is clearly not really social contact.

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7 years 2 months ago #178009 by Gordon
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XFACTOR

You refer to supervision and issues with concentration I would certainly expect the latter to be a fundamental issue if the claimant drives, so if they do this successfully then I think it quite likely that it would undermine any issues with preparing and cooking a meal based on the same issue.

Whilst I agree (to a limited extent) that driving is not necessarily something that requires 100% attention I think it unlikely that a suggestion that concentration is not a requirement is very unlikely to be accepted by those assessing a claimant.

I've not seen driving raised as an issue for social contact, I am guessing the issue is that most journeys are to some place and for some purpose and that can lead to social contact. You would need to make your arguments that visiting a shop does not constitute social contact.

Remember activities must be done "reliably" and "on the majority of days" not to score points.

Gordon

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7 years 2 months ago #178019 by DRAGON2009
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Thank you Gordan.

Presumably if the person does drive whenever called upon and without incident then they are up against it for the cooking assessment but perhaps less against it if they can show t hat whilst they drive it is infrequent and not accessible every day / all day due to effect of condition and mostly only with support . I guess its about showing how an apparent ability is not always the available on demand competence that it might appear on the face of the facts

It seems virtually impossible to avoid negative interpretations. . For example the person who does not drive and relies on lifts/ taxi's or the bus would face the suggestion this implies ability to socially engage.

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7 years 2 months ago #178093 by Gordon
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XFACTOR

As I said make use of "reliably" and "on the majority of days".

Gordon

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7 years 1 month ago #180053 by DRAGON2009
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Looking at the PIP form and preparing meals. In Obessional conditions where someone cannot make decisions without prolonged rumination and thus cannot decide what to eat which adds greatly to the time taken to prepare a meal does this count or is it only the impairments that are involved in the actual preparation . Decding what to cook might be a disablemetn in relation to making a meal but perhaps it is not relevant.

And as for the aspect related to dressing. Proloned procrastination about what to wear taking ages and lots of changes of decision does that potentially count ?:

Also having received a form one with one week of the month to return it already elapsed ? That seems a bit unfair Would an extension be easily arranged or rarely granted

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7 years 1 month ago - 7 years 1 month ago #180059 by slugsta
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Hi XF,

I have merged your question with the previous topic relating to your PIP as we ask members to keep everything relating to the same claim in one place.

Our attitude is that you have nothing to lose by making your point about ruminations affecting your ability to reliably carry out the tasks associated with the PIP descriptors.

At worst your arguments will be discounted. At best you might score points for those descriptors.

Don't forget the 'reliability' aspect -

• Safely – in a fashion that is unlikely to cause harm to themselves or to another person.
• To a necessary and appropriate standard – given the nature of the activity.
• Repeatedly – as often as is reasonably required.
• In a timely manner – in a reasonable time period.


May I suggest that you bookmark/favourite this on your web browser now so that you can find it easily in future? This will allow you to return with further questions or comments about your PIP without having to start a new topic each time. We ask members to keep everything relating to the same claim in one topic as it helps us enormously - and I hope you will find it useful too :)

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