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Benefits cuts to be revealed on 8 July

Sick and disabled claimants ill discover whether they are to face further benefits cuts when George Osborne holds a second budget on 8th July.

The budget will bring a welcome end to speculation about where the £12 billion in cuts will be made. Possible targets include taxing PIP and DLA, abolishing contribution-based ESA and JSA, cutting housing benefit payments by 10% and making the qualifying criteria for PIP harder to meet.

Writing in the Sun, where the decision to hold a second budget was announced, the chancellor claimed that this will be ‘a budget for working people’.

Whether that means it will not be a budget for those who are unable to work remains to be seen.

But if child benefit is to be left untouched, as the prime minister appeared to say before the election, and tax credits and housing benefit for ‘working people’ are to be left alone, then that leaves little else but incapacity and disability benefits to target.

 

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#42 shazron 2015-06-09 11:11
i worked from age 16 untill 48 had industrial accidant health safty all involved,they didnt even send me for esa medical even thou i was awarded 30 points before,they stopped my esa cb and i dont get a penny cos hubby works its a disgrace,i havent had no money for 3 years,never had anthing from them,
#41 pusscatsmum 2015-06-04 18:45
I agree TT.
However the biggest problem is inertia from one and all who rather be under the parapet rather than saying or doing anything.
In regards to 'word changes' which impact on us all, is the term 'Welfare Benefit' for our 'State Pension'.
Calling our old age pension a 'Benefit' is well and truly wrong.
It is really a 'private pension' for those that were lucky enough to work long and hard for it and pay into the system, and for those less fortunate it something to keep body and soul together.
Now that Serps and opt out is in play, the word State pension has gone and been replaced with a 'Benefit'.
The DWP/Govt state that 45% of 'Benefits' are in effect 'State Pension' as most know it as.
So no doubt in a few years time, the DWP/Gvt will impement, what I have already seen as a paper, which is, those who do have a 'Private Pension', it will be deducted £ for £, the same as ESA etc is if you have a health pension or otherwise.
It is only a question of time for this to be in place.
One can bleat on about human rights/acts etc but it really does not matter as our Govt is in a position within the EU to alter any of the so called 'human right acts and safety for social inclusion in regard to changes with our Benefit System along with ESA/WRAG/JSA/UC /DLA/PIP etc etc. These Benefits are not up for chats with the EU as we opted out of that for those very reasons.
The only one as far as I can establish is EU Migrancy benefits which are subject to EU rules.
So in time we will not have anything unless it is means tested at a low level so that more will be on the bread line, young and old, disabled or not.
#40 tinytim 2015-06-04 16:48
Ride on tintack your right when labour and tories site hard working people we were them people, who since leaving school paid into social security insurance incase we were unable to work or became disabled.
+1 #39 tintack 2015-06-04 12:55
One of the biggest problems we face is the fact that public debate (if you can call it that) on the issue of benefits has been framed in language of the Tories' own choosing. We used to talk about "social security" for those out of work or too sick to work - remember that? It's no accident that that phrase has virtually disappeared, because social security is exactly what claimants no longer have. Now we simply talk about "welfare", because "social security" is a phrase which reminded the public what the system is there for. And we clearly couldn't have that.

Benefits are routinely referred to as "handouts" (even if you've paid into the system for decades it makes no difference, you're still getting "handouts" apparently). That's why we hear phrases like "hardworking families" repeated ad infinitum. If you're in the unfortunate position of having always been too sick to hold down a job, and therefore need that measure of social security that the benefit system is supposed to provide, then as far as the Tories are concerned you're of no value - you're one of those "skivers" or "shirkers". Only the "strivers" and "workers" count (back to those "hardworking families" again). The unemployed used to be viewed as people who had fallen on hard times and needed help to get back on their feet. Now they're barely treated as people at all - unemployment is portrayed as a moral failure of the individual.

This process of linguistic sleight of hand has been going on for years and until it's challenged we're going to be fighting an uphill battle.
#38 tintack 2015-06-03 18:33
Cameron was asked at today's PMQs to rule out cuts to disability benefits. He declined to do so. I think we can guess what that means.
#37 tinytim 2015-06-02 09:54
Hi another word i hate is skivers as i never skived since i left school and worked up until accident at work.
Us who have paid into a system of ni incase we could no longer work as in the old invilidity pension have been well and truly let down and really wonder why it was not illigal to do this if we had paid into a private injury at work plan incases where you cannot do any type of work then it would be a fraud company, like the ppi scandal you would want all money you paid in refunded?
+1 #36 pusscatsmum 2015-05-28 14:02
Hi P.B.
Exactly as you said,myself and others who are in a similiar postion who have paid into the system will be well and truly on the bread line if CB Benefits were to be removed totally.
It has started with the removal of CB Benefit for those in the WRAG ESA group after 1 year.(IR recipients not affected)
So, yes, why do we pay into the system? when help needed will not be there.
The govt will not worry about those losing out on CB benefits as it only affects those who live in 'a household where others can contribute', i,e a spouse, partner or other close relatives or if they have other means of income.
It needs to be raised above the paraphet in order to raise the problems.
Pretty certain this benefit will be removed and all will have to pass a means test in order to receive ANY benefits.
This will affect quite a few people who will have to be reliant on family and others, this was suggested when CB ESA WRAG was first implemented.
Those who are now without benefit,s cos they are in the WRAG group, and were on CB benefits are suffering as they have to rely on 'the household income' to pay for them.
Not enough complained and jumped up and down re the stopping of this benefit, so it left those who were in this position, high and dry.
This will happen to all those who now may well have their CB Benefits stopped in the future.
The govt will not care, cos the persons involved will be off the books and a problem for the family or other to deal with.
Means testing costs more to implement so a reduction in the costs will not reduce, but in fact increase.
DLA/PIP to be severely targeted too along with those on IIB.
So many who were retired due to ill health via the Occ Hlth Dr employed to sort out sickness for an employee over the last 20 yrs will be left stuck in the middle of this disgusting problem.
+1 #35 buster 2015-05-28 00:07
A really interesting and current article on possible benefit cuts can be found here:
http://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/7762

The author is Robert Joyce of the Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS).

As Joyce concludes, we shall soon find out the balance that the government chooses to strike. Interestingly. Joyce doesn't really mention the possibility of doing away with or cutting Contribution Based benefits; maybe he thinks they will be left untouched?

It would seem that families with children are going to suffer disproportionat ely; this will result in more and more children being plunged in to poverty - so much for the legally binding 2020 child poverty targets - as Joyce alludes.

I have a hunch that Carer's Allowance seen as it's non Contribution Based and only "loosely" means tested will take a big hit; even then means completely testing Carer's Allowance would only save about £1 billion, according to a leaked document handed to the BBC, this can be seen here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32084722

Best wishes

Buster
+2 #34 Paul Richards 2015-05-27 21:41
Hi caiti.
I suggest that you ask your question directly to pusscatsmum and Bill Miller. They have diligently worked very hard to try to support themselves - and directly, through absolutely no fault of their own, they MAY (OR MAY NOT!) have both been (and probably many other people also!) totally robbed of what they may be entitled to.
WE DO NOT KNOW at the moment if CB benefits will be abolished by this present Government. If so - in my own personal opinion, then that is an absolute and deplorable disgrace. These people, and many others, could have been awfully let down and could ultimately be facing terrible consequences with absolutely no income whatsoever. However, I think that this is VERY unlikely to happen - this present Tory Government would definitely not like to face the consequences - after all, there could be Court Cases galore.
Also, WHERE is the Human Rights Act if this should occur??
They could even be in Contravention of the Human Right's Act.
The Government, in it's 'claimant' documentation actually says:
"The Government says this is what you need to live on: £xx.xx per week"
Surely - they cannot be allowed to cut someone off with £00.00
- unless, of course they are 'SANCTIONED' - which is another separate issue altogether!!
#33 caiti 2015-05-27 19:15
If someone has been fortunate enough to work and pay their NI contributions and then it is decided contribution based benefits are to be eradicated, what are people paying NI contributions for?An ailing NHS and lowly State Pension at the end of it all.
+1 #32 Paul Richards 2015-05-26 20:20
Hi all,
What a total cheek these 'MP's have - do you remember not too long ago now, they were going to give themselves an 11% pay rise? - How on earth can Cameron whinge on about 'them' having 'another' 5 years of no pay rises? I assume that they have already received this extra 11% on top of their already too (taxpayer paid for!) high salaries. As usual, they live in their own priveleged ivory towers.
#31 pusscatsmum 2015-05-26 16:10
Hi BM,
I too had a RTA in 1996 and had a pretty good well paid position with a view of an even better position in the near future but all went after the RTA. Compensation then for me was minimal below £50k, however luckily I managed not to get any of it clawed back via the compensation recovery unit, is it still going !! Or under a different guise. I, like you, hate living on benefits rather than our well paid jobs we had before and it does rub salt onto a wound when listening to those MP's that bleat on about the fact they deserve more for what they do. Haa Haa. Let them try and live of the benefits we have to and with the increased worry that they may well stop at any given moment, thus not giving us any peace of mind or ability to really cope.
Perhaps you are in receipt of CB benefits too and realise we may well lose out on this much needed money, but again will have to wait til after 8th July in order to know.
The uncertanty of not knowing what will be decided for us, note, what will be decided, and we will have to accept, rather than us being able to be part of a decision, is what is truly soul destroying.
+1 #30 The Potter 2015-05-26 14:56
I am on disability benefits through no fault of my own, as I am sure, lots of you are. We are not on "scroungers/ski vers" as the Tories are portraying. I worked for many years in a high-profile, highly paid job with an international company, have paid into the system all my life.
But it really disgusted me yesterday to read that MPs are bleating about not getting a "deserved" (as they see it) pay rise!
But we're all in this together, aren't we?
I'm sure the majority of us don't like being on benefits, would like to disability free and have things back the way they were before.
I for one, would rather be back in my highly paid job, but sadly a road traffic put paid to that. Back in 1996 after I received some compensation, the then Tory government clawed back £30K from me through the then "Compensation Recovery Unit".
The Tories don't give a s**t" about what happens to anyone but themselves..... ...do I feel bitter about this? You bet I do.
+1 #29 melodie montgomery 2015-05-26 12:51
Fightback
A bit of worrying news in this week via email, we have received 4 messages from people who have won their tribunals for ESA only to be back paid, then told that the DWP are appealing the decision and have an error of law. All 4 of the fightbackers have been told they have to go back to court and do it again and repay the money if its not decided again in their favour. The DWP have a large team now going through all decisions from the court and scrutinising if there is a potential error of law, in a bid to deny back pay and an award. They are also telling people that their decision is final, which of course is untrue!.Try to get you all ways
+1 #28 melodie montgomery 2015-05-26 12:48
start by signing this petition
https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/no-to-disability-sickness-benefit-cuts?bucket&source=facebook-share-button&time=1432477921
+1 #27 buster 2015-05-25 13:42
According to newspaper reports, IDS is locked in some kind of battle with his Tory counterparts over how to best implement the savage and unjustifiable upcoming cuts to working age benefits. Reports suggest IDS wants to achieve further cuts due to structural welfare reform rather than "salami slicing" through the social security budget at all costs - yeah right - I bet he's also considering vegetarian and gluten free food banks. let's not be fooled - we weren't born yesterday.

Although IDS might have found himself to be in a somewhat unexpected and slightly awkward position, on the other hand, it can be said his position is one of pure luxury in terms of being allowed to carry out his unchallenged, grotesque hard line right-wing ideologically driven "improvements". He must feel like a Premier League manager with a full squad to choose from - about to face opposition from a dishevelled injury plagued non league outfit.

Actually - I really do believe that benefit claimant bashing is about to be well and truly cemented as the latest spectator sport in Britain - and a triumphant IDS will soon fancy his chances pitting his wits against anyone - even the likes of Jose Mourinho - now that would be interesting - you just know that IDS would line up 11 right-wingers all on inflated salaries and bonuses.

Buster
+3 #26 angela 2015-05-23 08:25
Quoting Drizzle:
Quote:
I have been a member of this site going on 3yrs this is the first time i have come across members falling out with each other is this a sign of stress that is starting to get to us all please bear in mind we are all on this site for the same reason please lets not fall out


Whilst I absolutely sympathise with what you're saying, a few commenters (including myself) having complained about the use of the word "shirkers" because we feel this is the one of the last safe havens on the internet (and perhaps in the UK) where we can (usually) come and not be assaulted by right wing propaganda - the sole purpose of which is to make people resent us. It's been hugely successful. :-?

We should be in no doubt that we're all shirkers and scroungers to the Tories and their supporters, and they'd see us all in the gutters if they have their way. They couldn't care less how we came to be ill.
I totally agree with you about what the tories think about us all they wont stop till there is no benefit rights left
+1 #25 Drizzle 2015-05-22 16:09
Quote:
I have been a member of this site going on 3yrs this is the first time i have come across members falling out with each other is this a sign of stress that is starting to get to us all please bear in mind we are all on this site for the same reason please lets not fall out
Whilst I absolutely sympathise with what you're saying, a few commenters (including myself) having complained about the use of the word "shirkers" because we feel this is the one of the last safe havens on the internet (and perhaps in the UK) where we can (usually) come and not be assaulted by right wing propaganda - the sole purpose of which is to make people resent us. It's been hugely successful. :-?

We should be in no doubt that we're all shirkers and scroungers to the Tories and their supporters, and they'd see us all in the gutters if they have their way. They couldn't care less how we came to be ill.
#24 angela 2015-05-21 18:21
I have been a member of this site going on 3yrs this is the first time i have come across members falling out with each other is this a sign of stress that is starting to get to us all please bear in mind we are all on this site for the same reason please lets not fall out
#23 andy 2015-05-21 17:16
That's our worry. With the WRAG CB, monies stop immediately if a year had already passed. We may be worrying unnecessarily, but since I first heard about it the psoriasis on my head has returned. Disabled people really don't want to be treated like this.

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