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DWP defeated in Lords over ESA cuts

The government was heavily defeated in the House of Lords over plans to cut £30 per week from the benefit of new claimants in work-related activity group (WRAG) of employment and support allowance (ESA) yesterday.

The House of Lords voted by 238 votes to 198 against reducing the level of payments for claimants, many of whom have degenerative diseases or serious mental health conditions, to the same level as jobseeker’s allowance. The cut is due to be introduced in April 2017 and will not affect current claimants.

The government claim the measure will give ESA claimants an incentive to find work.

The measure will now be returned to the Commons for further debate.

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+6 #16 carruthers 2016-02-05 01:24
Quoting MarkW:
So, what I want to know is how does IDS survive?

He survives because what he does is popular with Tory voters. He's also Europhobic, so he's popular with Ukip as well.

All those "hate a scrounger" newspaper articles are invitations to think that IDS is a man doing a necessary job trying to put some discipline into the poor, the idle and the fakers.

We know him to be vain, arrogant, incompetent and not particularly bright. Quite a lot of his cabinet colleagues know that too. He's not even a especially good liar, but he has the Donald Trump attitude - never, ever admit that you might be wrong - even when it's proved beyond doubt.

But, like Donald Trump he has a public who just love those lies.

That's why he survives.
-1 #15 Just Me 2016-02-03 17:34
David Cameron prepares fight to keep £30-a-week disability benefit cuts - despite them being defeated.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/david-cameron-prepares-fight-keep-7301089
#14 Bearer 2016-02-03 12:57
Sorry- in message 12, line one, I meant PC Pension Credit, not "PIP".
#13 shimtoan 2016-02-03 07:58
Quote:
I feel this is sort of on topic. I do have autism and would not wish to offend
I am in the W.R.A.G and I am hoping to apply for Pension Credit soon. On 15/01/16 I went to another JC because I did not want to have to get past six security guards at the JC I normally use and it would have been impossible to get an answer without an appointment. So I went to the one in a small town and was able to get past one security guard and got an official to look up the date I could apply for PC She said 06/09/16.I rang up the Pension Service and they said 06/03/17. I told her that JC had given me the date and she said JC didn't know anything and should not be giving out information like that. I left a memo with my DEA who got back to me and confirmed it was 06/09/16. I am not angry with these people I am angry at their condition. I can apply in June so I am told. Crossing over from ESA to PC is going to be such fun.Happens all the time!! Best advice Heads down and plod on :-* :cry:
I'm also autistic, but I've got until 2055 before I can get PC if it stays to the current timetable.

Back OT, the Lords have proven again that the government has it wrong.

Also, the news today is that UC is making working families worse off
#12 Bearer 2016-02-03 02:23
1. I have never thought ESA and PC were in any way linked? 2.Do check with the Pension Service but I think the next dates on which anyone can qualify for PC are 6.3.16 for those born month commencing m/c 6.3.53; 6.7.16 for those born m/c 6.4.53; 6.11.16 for those born m/c 6.5.53; 6.3.17 for those born m/c 6.6.53 and 6.7.17 for those born m/c 6.7.53. No-one starts it on 6.9.16. For about 16 years, people born m/c 6.6.53 were expecting to get it on 6.9.16. But in 2011, the coalition govt changed the law so that receipt of PC and State Pension were postponed very far into the future.
#11 Blackcat 2016-02-01 23:36
I feel this is sort of on topic. I do have autism and would not wish to offend
I am in the W.R.A.G and I am hoping to apply for Pension Credit soon. On 15/01/16 I went to another JC because I did not want to have to get past six security guards at the JC I normally use and it would have been impossible to get an answer without an appointment. So I went to the one in a small town and was able to get past one security guard and got an official to look up the date I could apply for PC She said 06/09/16.I rang up the Pension Service and they said 06/03/17. I told her that JC had given me the date and she said JC didn't know anything and should not be giving out information like that. I left a memo with my DEA who got back to me and confirmed it was 06/09/16. I am not angry with these people I am angry at their condition. I can apply in June so I am told. Crossing over from ESA to PC is going to be such fun.Happens all the time!! Best advice Heads down and plod on :-* :cry:
+3 #10 shell 2016-02-01 11:37
IDS only survives due to the fact that camaron needs a scape goat for when he is in front of the un, well done the house of lords surely it most be sorting to sink in now that when this gov keeps going on about been voted in because of its welfare pols maybe the voters did not expect what is going on as he could get more savings by ie if you are long term disabled how much is this costing the tax payer review 3yrs then maybe a medical and a triburnal this will have cost with out the staff and overheads more than to pay the benefit and the list goes on no one had expected the countries dept to be payed for off the backs of the ones that need it the most
+5 #9 vision 2016-01-29 08:09
Excellent news. Labour need to be attacking this vile government over every aspect of their welfare reforms now, keep the ball rolling!!
The sooner the tories are gone the better. They have bben getting away with far too much for far too long with no effective opposition.
+3 #8 thedragon 2016-01-28 19:44
The cut is due to be introduced in April 2017 and will not affect current claimants.

Those of us on Pension Credit would be affected when Universal Credit is applied as those rates are equivalent to Jobseekers Allowance. Although already on PC ANY change would mean the new, lower rate. So change of address etc would be bad news. Also the death of one would also be a change so a double whammy.
+11 #7 tintack 2016-01-28 19:21
It seems the "incentive" behind this cut boils down to "work or starve", I suppose that technically that could be described as an incentive. It could also be described as the product of a twisted mentality which cares not one jot for the misery such a measure will inevitably inflict.

Quoting MarkW:
So, what I want to know is how does IDS survive?
Any ordinary politician would have been sacked long ago but he sticks.
Is it a secret known, blackmail...........

I know we need him out but we also need an effective opposition and the Tories gone!


He survives because his party are fully behind his agenda and so are the right wing rags. Unfortunately many people are taken in by the propaganda so they support it too. If we had a press that wasn't controlled by a tiny group of Tory-supporting foreigners and tax dodgers who are doing very nicely out of the status quo the public would be better informed about what is happening and the Tories would be in serious trouble: just imagine what would happen if the press reported cases of claimant deaths as often and as prominently as they gleefully seize on cases of fraud.
+6 #6 Gordon 2016-01-28 16:04
I would be careful wishing IDS gone, whilst he is undoubtedly the most incompetent minister of modern times, just think where we would all be if there was a minister that actually knew what they doing!!!
+6 #5 MarkW 2016-01-28 13:54
So, what I want to know is how does IDS survive?
Any ordinary politician would have been sacked long ago but he sticks.
Is it a secret known, blackmail...........

I know we need him out but we also need an effective opposition and the Tories gone!

To Tintack & Gordon
Thanks - you are right about the Murdoch et al. My goodness, some decent red tops could make a heck of a difference!
As to replace IDS - replace Tories is real answer!
+10 #4 satmanbasil 2016-01-28 12:51
WELL DONE THE HOUSE OF LORDS !!!!!
I sometimes have wondered in the past about the work they do for this country but when something like this happens its good to see that some people can see the unfair and unjust things being done by this government to kill off the welfare state that many of us have made contributions to in our working life and now have to depend on it being here for us.
The government claim the measures will give ESA claimants an incentive to find work , they totally are missing the point ESA was introduced for those with long term conditions that could not work and may not do so for some time, of course there should be help when somebody feels they are able to do so but please we dont need some whitehall clercial pen pusher who dosent know the person from adam making a decision on if they are fit enough to work. Now cutting the benefits that will force them against ill health to go out and possibly set back there illness even more maybe even cause death in some cases. We already are aware of the many who have lost the battle of health down to poor assessments made by ATOS and other healthcare assessement companies being used by this government to do its bidding.
BIG THUMBS UP FOR THE LORDS
+10 #3 cossack 2016-01-28 11:11
Know the House of Lords is unelected and it's not perfect, but when you hear news like this, just like the tax credit fiasco, I say thank goodness for the second chamber !!!
+11 #2 buster 2016-01-28 11:03
This government defeat now needs to be followed up with media coverage and a vocal opposition; lets hope Jeremy Corbyn puts the same amount of energy in to opposing these cuts as he did opposing tax credits cuts. If this happens then the government might come unstuck.

It's good to the see the government's so called Welfare Reform policies starting to unravel. I think the Tories have miscalculated the general mood of the country; we do not want to see vulnerable people suffer at the hands of an ideologically driven right-wing political party. The penny now seems to have dropped; politicians as well as judges are now on a seemingly daily basis challenging the governments legitimacy regarding its attempted destruction of the Welfare state - and about time too, in my opinion.

Buster
+4 #1 GoingOffMyHeadWithThisGoverment 2016-01-28 10:13
So far so good, but i bet the DWP still get there own way.

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