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ESA cuts passed by House of Lords today

The House of Lords this afternoon gave its assent to a cut of £30 per week for new claimants in the work-related activity group (WRAG) of employment and support allowance (ESA) yesterday.

The House of Lords had twice voted against reducing the level of payments for claimants, many of whom have degenerative diseases or serious mental health conditions, to the same level as jobseeker’s allowance.

However, on its third return to the Lords, the House of Commons claimed financial privilege for the cuts. By tradition the Lords do not overrule the Commons where a bill relates to finance.

The cut is due to be introduced in April 2017 and the DWP have said it will not affect current claimants.

The government’s cynical claim is that by cutting ESA WRAG claimants’ income to the same level as JSA, they will be encouraged to go out and find work.

Baroness Grey-Thomson told the Lords that:

“I apologise to the people affected by this Bill that, at this point, we could not do any more. This may be the end of the legislative process, but it is the start of the negative impact the Bill will have on thousands of people’s lives. It may be seen as a victory in terms of voting numbers in another place, but we cannot forget that there are many disabled people who will lose out. That may be realised only when the letters come flooding in.”

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+1 #16 Asbo 2016-03-16 14:15
Quoting dawn rittenberg:
Hi Everyone,
I went to my appeal yesterday & lost my case. I was told although I fit the criteria to this present date back in October 2014 my points did not warrant ESA.
I was questioned for over an hour by a male judge & a male doctor & as I am a sufferer of crohns colitis asked if I could show my underwear to them as evidence that I was telling the truth about evacuation of my bowel movement when I am out & about.

I have had no money since August 2014 my first ever face to face was October 2014 & I feel totally & utterly let down by the Government . I was employed from the age of 16 until May 2014 . I am now 46 years old have been out of work 2 years due to my crohns & this was my outcome.
At the end of their decision they told me they were going on the evidence of October 2014 where I got 0 points but suggested due to my condition to date they had given me 9 points & said I should re apply for a fresh claim with ESA as they felt I would now meet the criteria.

Are there any thoughts or advice you could offer me on this situation as I feel I am wasting my time & not so great energy on what seems to be a losing battle.

Kind regards Dr


My god, Dawn. That is awful. The bit about having to show your underwear...I am just gobsmacked. You should have had representation. But it sounds as if they were trying to help you in that it sounds as if your condition has got worse and therefore you should qualify. Please don't give up...get help to fill out again with someone who can do it for you, a bit at a time.
+1 #15 dawn rittenberg 2016-03-16 12:44
Hi Everyone,
I went to my appeal yesterday & lost my case. I was told although I fit the criteria to this present date back in October 2014 my points did not warrant ESA.
I was questioned for over an hour by a male judge & a male doctor & as I am a sufferer of crohns colitis asked if I could show my underwear to them as evidence that I was telling the truth about evacuation of my bowel movement when I am out & about.

I have had no money since August 2014 my first ever face to face was October 2014 & I feel totally & utterly let down by the Government . I was employed from the age of 16 until May 2014 . I am now 46 years old have been out of work 2 years due to my crohns & this was my outcome.
At the end of their decision they told me they were going on the evidence of October 2014 where I got 0 points but suggested due to my condition to date they had given me 9 points & said I should re apply for a fresh claim with ESA as they felt I would now meet the criteria.

Are there any thoughts or advice you could offer me on this situation as I feel I am wasting my time & not so great energy on what seems to be a losing battle.

Kind regards Dr
+1 #14 angela 2016-03-14 13:44
Lets not forget talking about abusing the system mps have been doing this for years
+2 #13 vision 2016-03-11 09:00
This vile government need outing, the sooner the better.
They will stop at nothing, we need justice.
+4 #12 Gawayn 2016-03-10 14:52
@tintack

Absolutely. And we should also remember that this ever increasing demonization of the ill and disabled in the media has been going on for years if not decades. Even if you don't buy the Daily Fail etc, every time you pass a newspaper shop or supermarket, you'll register another "Over 100% of sickness benefit claimants are on the scrounge!" type headline, if even only subconsciously.

Drip by drip this "Black Propaganda" does unfortunately influence people's views. And now over the past few years, courtesy of Channel 5, TV is now joining in as well. :sad:
+5 #11 tintack 2016-03-09 19:26
Quoting Merlin Jones:
We all know cuts should or will have to come in benefits. It is misused and the cost debilitating. The current Government with no competition in future elections, can do pretty much as they like.


As long as there is a benefits system there will always be a minority who abuse it. But even the government's own figures consistently show the level of fraud to be minuscule, though oddly enough they keep rather quiet about that.

Quote:
Media and these ridiculous TV programmes on benefits focusing on horrid people exploiting the system have turned public support for disabled completely around. Sadly the media focuses on a tiny minority which gives anyone on benefits a bad name. Horrible Government. Glad I'm near the end of my life :(
Channel 5 are the worst. I don't know why they don't just call those programmes "Chav Shirkers" or "Dole Scum Britain", that's the stereotype they're promoting, and unfortunately a lot of people fall for it hook, line and sinker.
+8 #10 Asbo 2016-03-09 16:08
It'll be The Support Group next...that's in the pipeline...what 's to stop them invoking financial privilege for that too? It is obscene
+7 #9 Elaine 2016-03-09 13:49
Quoting Merlin Jones:

I must agree. We all know cuts should or will have to come in benefits. It is misused and the cost debilitating. :(


I DON'T know that costs should or have to come. I DON'T know that ESA is Misused and the cost debilitating. I DO know that the Government claims that 0.7% is the amount of fraud - much less than the vast majority of benefits. I DO know that the cost of being disabled is not zero, and that the Government has been told be THEIR advisors that cutting the benefits will make it HARDER, not easier, for the long term sick and disabled to find work, and that there is no evidence that this will "encourage" them to be able to work. When will people stop buying into the Government LIE that this is an abused and expensive benefit? It is more likely that people are denied the benefits wrongly than that they get it while able-bodied. There is too much evidence needed for a successful claim, you can't just ask for ESA and get awarded it!!
+6 #8 Gawayn 2016-03-09 13:47
So the government's 'logic' is that by cutting 30% off ESA WRAG for claimants who have been found unfit for work by the same government's absurdly stringent WCA, this will encourage them to miraculously recover from their chronic medical conditions and go out and successfully find work.

Well, by that same absurd logic, surely this approach should also be applied to those who have medical conditions in general treated by the NHS, since it's also funded by the government as well? So for every NHS patient, 30% of the cost of their treatment (at least) should be removed to 'incentivize' them to spontaneously recover from their illnesses themselves and become healthy, thus helping both them and the public's finances. Problem sorted. :-)
+5 #7 jen 2016-03-09 13:36
This Government are heartless ******* (insert a profanity of your own choice)

Unfortunately this is now the problem. Whatever THEY want, they ultimately get as no matter if the Lords vote against them, they'll still find a way to keep on inflicting this never ending misery and injustice. They're ultimately Nazis under a different name.
+9 #6 Merlin Jones 2016-03-09 11:23
Quoting Just Me:
Disgusting. This government have no morals at all imo.


I must agree. We all know cuts should or will have to come in benefits. It is misused and the cost debilitating. The current Government with no competition in future elections, can do pretty much as they like.

Media and these ridiculous TV programmes on benefits focusing on horrid people exploiting the system have turned public support for disabled completely around. Sadly the media focuses on a tiny minority which gives anyone on benefits a bad name. Horrible Government. Glad I'm near the end of my life :(
+10 #5 angela 2016-03-09 09:06
Yes and just last week they a pay raise again all in it together was the quote
+12 #4 misslincs48 2016-03-09 08:11
This government is only interested in making the rich richer and the poor poorer they are disgusting
+9 #3 GoingOffMyHeadWithThisGoverment 2016-03-09 02:00
One big fix, what an utter load of bullshit B*****ds, they will stop at nothing to kill us off. :cry:

All i can say is i knew this was coming, there is just no stopping this rat race bunch of turkeys........ ..
+8 #2 tintack 2016-03-09 01:52
Meanwhile, here's the Hall of Shame in the Commons:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/esa-wrag-disability-benefit-cut-disabled-mps-vote-tories-iain-duncan-smith-a6918556.html

Nye Bevan was right. The Tories really are lower than vermin.
+9 #1 Just Me 2016-03-08 22:35
Disgusting. This government have no morals at all imo.

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