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TOPIC: A thought about ATOS medicals. . .

Re:A thought about ATOS medicals. . . 7 years 9 months ago #13822

Yes, I felt similar and wanted to just give up often in my 18 month nightmare of tribunals and continually failing. Even the Appeals were denied, but I forced myself to continue, appeal even higher, and eventually won with the help of my CAB representative.

Give yourself time to recover, and you will feel better about all this. Apart from the fact, you sure won't have any more to lose by fighting on. I told myself often, that the only way was upward, as there wasn't any lower!

I wish you well.

Angelica.

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Re:A thought about ATOS medicals. . . 7 years 9 months ago #13824

  • lavenderlady
Angelica Suprano wrote:

Yes, I felt similar and wanted to just give up often in my 18 month nightmare of tribunals and continually failing. Even the Appeals were denied, but I forced myself to continue, appeal even higher, and eventually won with the help of my CAB representative.

Give yourself time to recover, and you will feel better about all this. Apart from the fact, you sure won't have any more to lose by fighting on. I told myself often, that the only way was upward, as there wasn't any lower!

I wish you well.

Angelica.


Hi Angelica

Your words are so encouraging.

Thank you

Lavenderlady

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Re:A thought about ATOS medicals. . . 7 years 9 months ago #13967

Hello again everyone

Sorry I haven't been able to come back to the site for a few days, so I hope nobody minds if I reply to everyone in one post.

Sugarmouse, I'm so sorry to hear of your bad experience at the tribunal. Your remark about them believing the doctor if he said you'd turned cartwheels strikes a chord, and to be honest, that's what I'm afraid of, too. But I think Angelica and lavenderlady have it right. . . take a little while to recover before deciding what to do. Thinking of you and sending warmest wishes your way, if that helps at all.

Lavenderlady, yes, I'll be using the crutch at the tribunal because quite simply I can't get anywhere without it ;) I've been using it, and before that two sticks, for the past 6 years. I have polymyositis, an auto-immune problem which attacks the muscles. Even with it, I can't stand for more than a couple of minutes; I can only walk about 20 yards without needing to sit down; I need help to get out of a chair and can't sit for more than about 15 minutes because of pain and "locking". This is why the crutch is so important, and it seems so bizarre to me that the doctor never mentioned it and said "normal" to everything! I even asked my CAB adviser if it might be possible to get CCTV of me entering or leaving the medical centre, to show how I walk, but she just laughed.

I agree there are degrees of concentration, and the TV thing isn't by any means the most serious, but I was getting IB for two years on mental health grounds before I started having physical problems. I thought it was a good example of how what I had said (that the way I watch TV is to record everything because I need to move, and have trouble following a plot) was selectively edited and repeated to "prove" the exact opposite.

In another section the report "disagrees" that I have a problem with bowel urgency but offers no evidence at all. Surely this is a matter of fact, not opinion? I have a naurologist's letter that shows I discussed the problem with him a year before the infamous IB medical.

My GP is supporting my appeal and told me to get the CAB adviser to contact him, although it appears she hasn't done so yet and already a month has gone by. To be honest, I don't have much confidence in her; she seemed not to like the fact I'd been looking up case law either, and has not responded to two emails. I wonder whether I might not do better on my own, although as someone mentioned, looking too capable can work against you. . . I am so worried because I get DLA high rate mobility and middle rate care. My DLA claim is due for renewal next September, and if I lose this appeal I am bound to lose at least the HRM too.

Angelica, thank you so much for the encouragement. I'm so sorry you had to go through such a battle and thank goodness you won in the end.

Sorry this has turned into such a long post. I'd still like to know, though, whether anyone agrees with me that this "typical day" problem is a wider issue than our individual cases, and whether we should be asking for it to be read back to us for checking.

Thanks again, everyone.

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Re:A thought about ATOS medicals. . . 7 years 9 months ago #13972

  • lavenderlady
Hi Pye

Regarding bowel urgency ... I would have thought a problem like that would be on your GP medical notes. That's the kind of Info doctors would put on file. Also, are you prescribed anything to help for it? That needs to be mentioned. Also, i presume you will have to wear incontinent pads for 'little accidents'.

I would if i were you challenge this, because it's very important and significant, and shouldn't just be poo pooed or discounted.

As for a typical day. You could ask the doctor to read it back, but i have found after having 10 DWP medicals that they don't take kindly to you asking for changes. They might accommodate one sentence change, but in my experience not anymore. They do get offended when I ask for changes so Im reluctant to do it, because I don't want to get their backs up or my insistence for them to make changes to affect the medical report that they will write.

You want the medical to be ended in a pleasant and amicable way because lasting impressions count, and doctors who are upset, aggrivated, ... well justs say it could affect how they write the concluding remarks on the report.

Happy Christmas
Lavenderlady

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Re:A thought about ATOS medicals. . . 7 years 9 months ago #14065

lavenderlady wrote:

Also, i presume you will have to wear incontinent pads for 'little accidents'.

I would if i were you challenge this, because it's very important and significant, and shouldn't just be poo pooed or discounted.


Hehe, lavenderlady, don't know if you intended to make a joke, but this gave me a real laugh, and I certainly needed one! Thanks for that.

Got the case papers from DWP on Saturday and it goes from bad to worse. The doctor's claim that I "walked normally for 30 metres around examination centre" -- which I most strongly dispute -- has mutated now into ". . .around examination room". So it sounds like the DM has misread it and thinks there was some sort of walking test carried out, which there most certainly wasn't.

The DM's reasons are not reasons at all, simply the medical report put into paragraphs. There's a page missing about the reconsideration, and they have failed to include previous PCAs ("if any", they say) because they were not used by the DM in making the decision and aren't relevant. I would say they jolly well are, and suspect they've shredded them.

You're right about not wanting to put the doctor's back up, I know. It's just that if I'd known what he'd written at the time and could have corrected it. maybe this wouldn't have happened?. . . The report is so full of errors that are really damaging to my case. For example, after I said my carer does my shopping, he pressed me on whether I ever went into town myself. I said I did occasionally if I had to go to the chemist say, to pick up a prescription; that I drive there, park outside with my Blue Badge and so only have to walk inside. Well, the report says:

Pops out to chemist and local shops, walking (what?!)

and the DM has made it:

Carer does shopping but she can walk out alone to local shops, e.g. chemist.

This chemist's is 1.2 miles away!

Ah well, we will see what happens next. On the bright side, a friend came today and gave me a terrific "witness statement" about how both my mental and physical problems affect me when we have been out together.

I'm sorry I haven't replied sooner. . . I had subscribed to the thread, but for some reason I'm not getting notified of new posts; must have done something wrong.

Thanks, lavenderlady, and best wishes for a brighter Christmas to you and everyone here. Take care.

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Re:A thought about ATOS medicals. . . 7 years 8 months ago #14853

  • Austinp008
sorry to hear of all the ongoing problems you would have thought that with all the evidence against these joker doctors that something would have been done by now as there are hundreds of cases now that show that these medicals are being carried out incorrectly its a shame the doctors cannot be named and shamed.

I have a sneaky suspicion that a lot of these cases of poor medicals are probably relating to the same doctors and it would be very interesting to see what the performance levels are of these doctors.

good luck to you all and dont give up

Austin

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