No updating of PIP2 forms, with changes of law ?

Hi All,

Have been 'slogging' on, attempting to complete and return a PIP2 form.

Noticed (eventually !) that the descriptors/options on the form received DON'T match those in the PIP test by BW. It would seem the received form ( - marked PIP2 April 2013) has NEVER (?) been updated to reflect changes of the law.

Essentially therefore, the PIP2 form received FAILS to match the current LAWFUL assessment criteria - and, by what CLEARLY seems to be A LOOONNNG way !

The tick-box options on the received form number to only 23, whereas they are WELL over 60 on BW PIP self-test ( - which thankfully does seem to accommodate subsequent changes in the law, judging by the info in BW's PIP guide).

If the above is CORRECT ( - as seems to be the case), then surely the PIP assessment process is FLAWED in LAW, greatly PREJUDICING applications by INCORRECT, out of date information the out-of-date PIP2 form is prompting ( - even if 'HPs' and 'DMs' have more correct, up-to-date assessment criteria !) ! ! !

Having checked the official Gov site, the specimen PIP2 from there, with a date of October 2016, looks the same as the one received, of 'April 2013'. BW info. states the changes to PIP law were made by Govrmnt in March 2017 ( - at least for the mobility component; others may have occurred earlier and since ?).

Specimen at: www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/upl...affects-you-form.PDF

The 'information booklet' - copy/specimen also at Gov site - is equally POOR and OUT-OF-DATE too !

I'll be interested to know if this matter has been already discussed in a previous thread - and if so, on which one(s).

Best wishes,
M_R

It's really bugging me how my partner's PIP assessment report from July (applied in May) states the "Going Out" descriptors without the change in March to preclude "Psychological distress" and it's using the old ones. Indeed, my PIP2 form sent in September asks me to tell them if I need help from someone planning or following a route because I "need reassurance" when that doesn't apply anymore. It makes me think it's not actually precluded when in fact, it is. Very deceitful but then, what's new from DWP?

Thanks Gordon,

So, I guess it'll have to suffice to just go ahead and use the MOST appropriate of the 60+ 'descriptors' or options that do apply - even though only 23 appear on the form (?).

I've ALSO been advised by the DWP (since earlier post) that there is NO revised PIP2 form ( - which I do find most 'odd' or, in fact down right UNJUST !). Guess its now better to just ACCEPT that, and complete the (erroneous) form, . . . . and see what happens.

This w/could have been SO damaging without having gleaned this important info., . . . . . largely brought about by doing the PIP self-test !

Hopefully, all (?) HPs are now aware of all 60+ descriptors ( - at least in principle !).

Mike