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TOPIC: PIP recording

PIP recording 3 weeks 2 days ago #201619

Hi folks. Sorry but have been on FAQ and can't find specific answer. My question is around the recording of PIP assessment. I have been looking for dual/or 2 identical voice tape recorders (i.e. not the ones with very poor reviews). However there only seems to be 1 type suitable and to purchase 2 is very costly.

Therefore is it possible to use 2 identical digital recorders (some come with mp3 players and some are just like usb memory sticks). On completion of the assessment 1 of these could be given to the health professional conducting the assessment. Please advise if this is possible and acceptable to the assessment body.

I have seen that a number of people have recorded covertly just a single copy. I would rather not do this but If the first suggestion is not o.k. would covert recording be o.k. to transcribe and use at a tribunal? Thank you so much for your help

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PIP recording 3 weeks 2 days ago #201641

Lawson

If you intend to make an overt recording the you cannot use a digital recorder.

You need permission in advance from the Assessment Provider to make the recording.

It needs to be made to two tapes of CDs simultaneously.

You cannot use a digital recorder such as a mobile phone.

Someone has today reported problems is the media is not new, so make sure that the tapes or CDs are still shrink wrapped and opened in the presence of the assessor.

You need to give one of the recordings to the assessor.

Most members have used two relatively cheap cassette recorders, check that they record without problem, some have used external microphones.

Gordon

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PIP recording 3 weeks 2 days ago #201668

Thanks Gordon
As said I would rather go via the 2 recorder route but they are limited in supply unless you pay a considerable amount or get cheap ones that have bad reports about the quality of recording. It would just be cheaper to buy 2 digital USB recording sticks and give one to the assessor (is this possible?)

The reason I ask about covert recording is partly due to the reference made in B&W News from 18th October 2017 regarding Nev Cartwright who recorded covertly on his mobile phone , had this "professionally transcribed" and used it at PIP Tribunal successfully to change his award and get his Motability vehicle back. I have heard of a few others who have done this but don't know all of the outcomes.

I obviously prefer the double cassette route but would appreciate clarification of the legality/validity of following the Nev Cartwright route. There is enough worry about all of this anyway so certainly don't want any more issues but many people both on and off the forum have intimated that outright untruth was conveyed from their assessment that I want to have "belt and braces" on this.

Sorry to ramble but I rarely post as I tend to follow FAQ etc. but really need to get this right in my mind going forward. Thank you so much for all of the help,guidance,advice and endless patience (especially to me) that you guys convey. I truly appreciate your response.

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PIP recording 3 weeks 2 days ago #201692

Lawson

To repeat myself, you cannot use a digital device of any form to make the recordings unless you opt to do it covertly.

I would encourage anybody who is being assessed to have it recorded, don't rely on any recording be admissible to a Tribunal if you have to go appeal, it may be but a lot of tribunals will easily accept that the assessment is not all it could be.

Gordon

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PIP recording 3 weeks 18 hours ago #201845

Thanks Gordon.
I think I shall look at the 2 x identical cassette recorders and as you suggest not open any tape to be used until in front of the assessor. This should then be totally acceptable - I hope- and probably slightly less stressful than covert recording and running the risk of having the assessment terminated.

I presume it is then essential that the assessment body need to be informed prior to the day of assessment or do you also have to tell DWP? and can this request be made by phone or must it be in writing?

It confuses me though that in the Nev Cartwright case it was deemed o.k. for him to use - succesfully - a "professionally transcribed" copy of his covert recording. What is classified as "professionally transcribed?". Does it have to be a legal representitive i.e. solicitor? or can it be just someone that you pay to do it - which is then a professional service anyway?
Sorry for all of the questions but I am also conveying this information to my Brother in Law who now lives in a care home but is also required to have PIP assessment.

Thanks again for your help Gordon - after these questions I shall leave you in peace - you deserve it.

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PIP recording 3 weeks 17 hours ago #201869

Lawson

You must have permission to make the recording, I would make the request in writing.

Professionally transcribed means that is has been done by an accredited transcriber who's signature legally guarantees the contents.

As I said, try not to get too ahead of yourself on this, 99% of successful appeals do not require access to any recording of the assessment.

Gordon

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