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6 years 4 months ago #202379 by Makfai
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I have noticed that reference is made - in a PIP Consultation Report Form - PA4 which refers to applicants with mental health conditions - to the assessor conducting a 'Mental State Examination', abbreviated to 'MSE'.
This is clearly some recognised medical assessment process but I cannot find it described in HMGs Personal Independence Payment (PIP) assessment guide for assessment providers
www.gov.uk/government/publications/perso...assessment-providers
Do you know anything about this MSE and by whom it was designed/approved? Is it a nationally recognised 'tool' authorised by NICE or NHS etc? Is a copy of the MSE available to the public?
This is clearly some recognised medical assessment process but I cannot find it described in HMGs Personal Independence Payment (PIP) assessment guide for assessment providers
www.gov.uk/government/publications/perso...assessment-providers
Do you know anything about this MSE and by whom it was designed/approved? Is it a nationally recognised 'tool' authorised by NICE or NHS etc? Is a copy of the MSE available to the public?
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6 years 4 months ago #202404 by Gordon
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They use several simple tests, counting back from 99 in 7s, remembering 3 or 4 items and understanding a complicated sentence.
These are standard tests, but do not have the weight of evidence that assessors and Decision Makers apply to them, a GP might use them to indicate the possibility of mental health problems but would never consider them as a definitive diagnostic tool.
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They use several simple tests, counting back from 99 in 7s, remembering 3 or 4 items and understanding a complicated sentence.
These are standard tests, but do not have the weight of evidence that assessors and Decision Makers apply to them, a GP might use them to indicate the possibility of mental health problems but would never consider them as a definitive diagnostic tool.
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6 years 4 months ago #202415 by Makfai
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I have had a good look online and found some older sources of information on the process as a diagnostic tool but can't find anything requiring/justifying its use in the PIP assessment context.
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6 years 4 months ago #202423 by Gordon
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FM wrote: I have had a good look online and found some older sources of information on the process as a diagnostic tool but can't find anything requiring/justifying its use in the PIP assessment context.
You won't.
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6 years 4 months ago #202426 by Makfai
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Having looked at the sources betow I now have a better understanding of the underlying factors which an HP will be lookung at during a consultaion/assessment. The links may be of use to others who are attending with mental health as an aspect of their condition(s).
www.testandcalc.com/richard/resources/Te...atus_Examination.pdf
www.askdoctorclarke.com/content/c261.pdf
www.ole.bris.ac.uk/bbcswebdav/institutio...istory_mse_print.pdf
www.wales.nhs.uk/sitesplus/documents/104...te%20Examination.ppt
www.nevdgp.org.au/files/programsupport/m...0Exam%20-%20form.pdf
www.psychpage.com/learning/library/advpr...ecording%20Sheet.pdf
www.ucl.ac.uk/clinical-psychology/compet...nation%2015th%20Sept.
www.testandcalc.com/richard/resources/Te...atus_Examination.pdf
www.askdoctorclarke.com/content/c261.pdf
www.ole.bris.ac.uk/bbcswebdav/institutio...istory_mse_print.pdf
www.wales.nhs.uk/sitesplus/documents/104...te%20Examination.ppt
www.nevdgp.org.au/files/programsupport/m...0Exam%20-%20form.pdf
www.psychpage.com/learning/library/advpr...ecording%20Sheet.pdf
www.ucl.ac.uk/clinical-psychology/compet...nation%2015th%20Sept.
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6 years 4 months ago #202474 by Makfai
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I can't find reference to the MSE in the guidance produced by Benefits and Work advice and it came as a bit of a surprise that such a model is used with applicants with mental health aspects.
Can I siuggest that reference to it be updated?
Can I siuggest that reference to it be updated?
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