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6 years 2 months ago #204943 by Steve Blue
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Dear Benefits and Work,
In the moving section of the Mobility questions, does being able to move 20 metres but no more than 50 (for example), mean without stopping? Without experiencing pain? Without experiencing tiredness?
It seems very vague and open ended...
Kind regards,
BlueBear.
In the moving section of the Mobility questions, does being able to move 20 metres but no more than 50 (for example), mean without stopping? Without experiencing pain? Without experiencing tiredness?
It seems very vague and open ended...
Kind regards,
BlueBear.
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6 years 2 months ago #204965 by Gordon
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You are not required to walk pain free but any pain that restricts the distance that you can walk should be taken into account.
Specifically for the Moving Around activity, if you are able to walk but you are in severe pain when doing so, then you can argue that your walking is not to a necessary standard and should be disregarded.
The legal test requires you to stand and then move (walk), so if you have problems getting up then you should document these as well.
If you walk slowly then it must take you at least twice the time to cover the 20m as a healthy person would, this could be down to the speed of your walking but could also be the result of having to stop.
If you have to stop then this can be included in the time it takes you to walk the distance.
You must be able to repeat the distance, so if you could walk it once but not then be able to walk it again within a reasonable timescale then you should be classed as unable to repeat the activity.
I'm afraid I can't tell you how to show your walking is more restricted but things you need to think about is what you can't do, for example what can you walk in your house, how far is the toilet from where you normally sit, things that will count against you are any trips that you make outside, so for example, how do you do your shopping?
You must be able to walk the distance you can, reliably and on the majority of days, both these terms are defined in the PIP Claim guide
www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/help-for-claimants/pip
So you need to explain what you can, how you are limited and why.
Gordon
You are not required to walk pain free but any pain that restricts the distance that you can walk should be taken into account.
Specifically for the Moving Around activity, if you are able to walk but you are in severe pain when doing so, then you can argue that your walking is not to a necessary standard and should be disregarded.
The legal test requires you to stand and then move (walk), so if you have problems getting up then you should document these as well.
If you walk slowly then it must take you at least twice the time to cover the 20m as a healthy person would, this could be down to the speed of your walking but could also be the result of having to stop.
If you have to stop then this can be included in the time it takes you to walk the distance.
You must be able to repeat the distance, so if you could walk it once but not then be able to walk it again within a reasonable timescale then you should be classed as unable to repeat the activity.
I'm afraid I can't tell you how to show your walking is more restricted but things you need to think about is what you can't do, for example what can you walk in your house, how far is the toilet from where you normally sit, things that will count against you are any trips that you make outside, so for example, how do you do your shopping?
You must be able to walk the distance you can, reliably and on the majority of days, both these terms are defined in the PIP Claim guide
www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/help-for-claimants/pip
So you need to explain what you can, how you are limited and why.
Gordon
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6 years 2 months ago #204989 by Steve Blue
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My dad wanted to tick the box for 20 to 50 metres (this would be with a stick) but only because he pushes himself unduly, and suffers for it.
He suffers with Ankylosing Spondyitis and well as damage to his lower spine (we have scans) so his mobility is restricted severely.
More accurately, would be LESS THAN 20 METRES. His condition means that even over 20 metres (forget the 50) his speed would be severely lessened (in the past he'd walk ahead of my mum, but not anymore), and he would not be able to complete it without pain, severe fatigue, and sometimes stopping to rest (recover), and he certainly wouldn't be able to do this repeatedly nor reliably due to the instability and fatigue that he experiences.
I cannot see anything on the PIP2 form nor the information booklet about being able to walk the distance repeatedly nor that you need to be able to do it from a sitting position. If these are are both valid it would increase his point (should). His condition means he has trouble getting up from sitting, as he would usually need to 'compose' himself before moving due to instability.
For example, my dad sleeps downstairs. When he gets up in the night or in the morning to let out the family dog into the garden, a trip of only 8 metres (there and back) he'd have to rest and recover from the activity.
So moving from sitting down, and being able to perform the activity repeatedly and reliability are important?
(sorry for questioning - I just wanted to make sure)
Kind regards,
BlueBear.
He suffers with Ankylosing Spondyitis and well as damage to his lower spine (we have scans) so his mobility is restricted severely.
More accurately, would be LESS THAN 20 METRES. His condition means that even over 20 metres (forget the 50) his speed would be severely lessened (in the past he'd walk ahead of my mum, but not anymore), and he would not be able to complete it without pain, severe fatigue, and sometimes stopping to rest (recover), and he certainly wouldn't be able to do this repeatedly nor reliably due to the instability and fatigue that he experiences.
I cannot see anything on the PIP2 form nor the information booklet about being able to walk the distance repeatedly nor that you need to be able to do it from a sitting position. If these are are both valid it would increase his point (should). His condition means he has trouble getting up from sitting, as he would usually need to 'compose' himself before moving due to instability.
For example, my dad sleeps downstairs. When he gets up in the night or in the morning to let out the family dog into the garden, a trip of only 8 metres (there and back) he'd have to rest and recover from the activity.
So moving from sitting down, and being able to perform the activity repeatedly and reliability are important?
(sorry for questioning - I just wanted to make sure)
Kind regards,
BlueBear.
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6 years 2 months ago #205013 by Gordon
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If you read the Descriptors at the top of the Moving Around section you will see that the legal requirement is for the claimant to "stand and then move!".
Repeating an activity is one of the "reliability" criteria. Again explained in the guide.
Gordon
If you read the Descriptors at the top of the Moving Around section you will see that the legal requirement is for the claimant to "stand and then move!".
Repeating an activity is one of the "reliability" criteria. Again explained in the guide.
Gordon
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6 years 2 months ago #205023 by Steve Blue
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Hi Gordon
When you say: read the Descriptors at the top of the Moving Around section, do you mean at the head of the Q14 section within the PIP form itself on Moving Around? If you do there isn't anything there on descriptors as far as I can see.
Hopefully I'm looking in the wrong place.
I cannot see this information within the Information booklet supplied by the DWP nor the PIP form we have to complete.
Please advise.
Apologies.
When you say: read the Descriptors at the top of the Moving Around section, do you mean at the head of the Q14 section within the PIP form itself on Moving Around? If you do there isn't anything there on descriptors as far as I can see.
Hopefully I'm looking in the wrong place.
I cannot see this information within the Information booklet supplied by the DWP nor the PIP form we have to complete.
Please advise.
Apologies.
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6 years 2 months ago #205027 by Gordon
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See the PIP Claim guide page 59!
See the PIP Claim guide page 59!
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