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6 years 2 days ago #210861 by caravan2u
planning and following a journey pips descriptor was created by caravan2u
could you advise me on what column i could tick under the above subject descriptor in relation to myself carrying out the activity i am unable to use public transport because i suffer from bowel inncontinence and i have frequent accidents resulting in me requireing a change of clothing and needing to have a shower i have tried using public transport in the past but had an accident i now suffer from anxiety just at the thought of using public transport again i will not be able to use public transport even if someone comes with me because it would have no bearing on my health condition please advise and if possible highlight any tribunal cases that would support my condition of incontinence preventing me using public transport thank you
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5 years 11 months ago #210908 by Gordon
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The Going Out activity looks at three things.
Planning a route - this is primarily a cognitive or sensory (e.g. blindness) activity. You are being asked about the problems you would have with working out how to get from one place to another, you do not need to be able to follow the route that you are planning.
Undertaking a Journey - this is do with mental health issues such as agoraphobia and social anxiety and is concerned with you leaving the house to go somewhere, they will be interested in the things that stop you doing this. You need to show that you would suffer "overwhelming psychological distress" to meet the criteria.
Following a route - This activity about the problems you would have navigating a route. So are there problems cognitive, sensory or mental health issues that would prevent you from doing this? This is different from undertaking a journey, in fact if you cannot undertake a journey then you will struggle to score points for following one.
You are going to struggle with this as it depends on context. The PIP Descriptors do not define a requirement for the claimant to use Public Transport and we have seen Decision Makers fail to allocate points on this basis, so you need to turn the issue around.
You are not going to score for the incontinence itself as this activity does not consider physical issues, you may however score for the anxiety providing you can reasonably show that it results in psychological distress sufficient to prevent you from continuing to follow a route. The emphasis must be on your inability to follow the route.
Gordon
The Going Out activity looks at three things.
Planning a route - this is primarily a cognitive or sensory (e.g. blindness) activity. You are being asked about the problems you would have with working out how to get from one place to another, you do not need to be able to follow the route that you are planning.
Undertaking a Journey - this is do with mental health issues such as agoraphobia and social anxiety and is concerned with you leaving the house to go somewhere, they will be interested in the things that stop you doing this. You need to show that you would suffer "overwhelming psychological distress" to meet the criteria.
Following a route - This activity about the problems you would have navigating a route. So are there problems cognitive, sensory or mental health issues that would prevent you from doing this? This is different from undertaking a journey, in fact if you cannot undertake a journey then you will struggle to score points for following one.
You are going to struggle with this as it depends on context. The PIP Descriptors do not define a requirement for the claimant to use Public Transport and we have seen Decision Makers fail to allocate points on this basis, so you need to turn the issue around.
You are not going to score for the incontinence itself as this activity does not consider physical issues, you may however score for the anxiety providing you can reasonably show that it results in psychological distress sufficient to prevent you from continuing to follow a route. The emphasis must be on your inability to follow the route.
Gordon
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