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5 years 8 months ago #215354 by Kirsteen
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Hello,
I wonder me with whether I can say my walking speed is more than twice as slow as a non disabled person. This is apparently what I need to prove on my PIP form if I want to be able to say I can't walk 20 meters in a reasonable time period.
Old DLA guidance apparently said a female under 50 years old can cover 100 meters in 1 minute 19 seconds.
I am have to regularly do timed 10 meter tests at the hospital. The fastest time I have walked 10 meters is 13.17 seconds. So IF I could walk 100 meters it would take me [in theory] just over 130 seconds. which is 2 minutes and 5 seconds.
This is very slightly under being twice as slow as a none disabled female.
Does this mean the DWP will judge I can walk 20 meters in a reasonable time period?
I am much slower outside. I have MS which causes me foot drop and the tiniest thing can make me trip and fall.
I also have a high risk of fracture because of Osteoporosis. I have MS and foot drop which means I often fall. Could that make enough of a difference?
Any advice greatly appreciated. This is a great website and the members forms guides are hugely helpful. Thanks.
Kirst
I wonder me with whether I can say my walking speed is more than twice as slow as a non disabled person. This is apparently what I need to prove on my PIP form if I want to be able to say I can't walk 20 meters in a reasonable time period.
Old DLA guidance apparently said a female under 50 years old can cover 100 meters in 1 minute 19 seconds.
I am have to regularly do timed 10 meter tests at the hospital. The fastest time I have walked 10 meters is 13.17 seconds. So IF I could walk 100 meters it would take me [in theory] just over 130 seconds. which is 2 minutes and 5 seconds.
This is very slightly under being twice as slow as a none disabled female.
Does this mean the DWP will judge I can walk 20 meters in a reasonable time period?
I am much slower outside. I have MS which causes me foot drop and the tiniest thing can make me trip and fall.
I also have a high risk of fracture because of Osteoporosis. I have MS and foot drop which means I often fall. Could that make enough of a difference?
Any advice greatly appreciated. This is a great website and the members forms guides are hugely helpful. Thanks.
Kirst
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5 years 8 months ago #215366 by Gordon
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Replied by Gordon on topic Is 2 mins to walk 100 meters slow enough for PIP?
Kirsteen
The legal requirement is
within a reasonable time period
“reasonable time period” means no more than twice as long as the maximum period that a person without a physical or mental condition which limits that person’s ability to carry out the activity in question would normally take to complete that activity.
So your walking speed must be at least twice as long as a healthy person.
I haven't seen any walking time defined for PIP but historically the times used have been 90m/minute and also 72m/minute. I would use the lower value if you are trying to do a comparison.
Gordon
The legal requirement is
within a reasonable time period
“reasonable time period” means no more than twice as long as the maximum period that a person without a physical or mental condition which limits that person’s ability to carry out the activity in question would normally take to complete that activity.
So your walking speed must be at least twice as long as a healthy person.
I haven't seen any walking time defined for PIP but historically the times used have been 90m/minute and also 72m/minute. I would use the lower value if you are trying to do a comparison.
Gordon
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5 years 8 months ago #215370 by Kirsteen
Replied by Kirsteen on topic Is 2 mins to walk 100 meters slow enough for PIP?
Thanks so much Gordon.
Can I just check I have understood you right. I'm dyslexic and these calculations are doing my head in.
Does 72m/minute mean a non disabled person can walk 72 meters in a minute?
If that is correct and I can walk 50 meters in a minute I would be correct to tick the box that says I'm unable to walk 20 meters because I can't do it a reasonable time period?
I can't walk 50 meters but I'm just trying to work out the calculation to see if my walking 10 meters in 13 seconds fits the criteria. The last thing I want to do on the form is exaggerate my difficulties.
I will of course explain it all in the Extra Information section and have plenty of medical evidence to back it up.
I really appreciate the work you do on here.
Thank again,
Kirsteen.
Can I just check I have understood you right. I'm dyslexic and these calculations are doing my head in.
Does 72m/minute mean a non disabled person can walk 72 meters in a minute?
If that is correct and I can walk 50 meters in a minute I would be correct to tick the box that says I'm unable to walk 20 meters because I can't do it a reasonable time period?
I can't walk 50 meters but I'm just trying to work out the calculation to see if my walking 10 meters in 13 seconds fits the criteria. The last thing I want to do on the form is exaggerate my difficulties.
I will of course explain it all in the Extra Information section and have plenty of medical evidence to back it up.
I really appreciate the work you do on here.
Thank again,
Kirsteen.
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5 years 8 months ago #215375 by Gordon
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Replied by Gordon on topic Is 2 mins to walk 100 meters slow enough for PIP?
Kirsteen
Yes, it means that a healthy person can walk 70m in one minute.
So to meet the criteria for twice as long you need to be unable to walk more than 35m in a minute, the more restricted your walking the better.
So if you can walk 10m in 13 seconds then you divide 60 seconds by the time it takes you
60 / 13 = 4.6
and then you multiply the distance (10m) by this figure
4.6 x 10 = 46m
So you walk 46m in a minute which is more than the 35m as a maximum that you need to do.
Be careful of mentioning distances longer than 20m, the test is about the distance you can walk and then the way in which you walk it, assessors often stop at the first test and do not apply the second.
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Yes, it means that a healthy person can walk 70m in one minute.
So to meet the criteria for twice as long you need to be unable to walk more than 35m in a minute, the more restricted your walking the better.
So if you can walk 10m in 13 seconds then you divide 60 seconds by the time it takes you
60 / 13 = 4.6
and then you multiply the distance (10m) by this figure
4.6 x 10 = 46m
So you walk 46m in a minute which is more than the 35m as a maximum that you need to do.
Be careful of mentioning distances longer than 20m, the test is about the distance you can walk and then the way in which you walk it, assessors often stop at the first test and do not apply the second.
Gordon
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5 years 8 months ago #215436 by Kirsteen
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Thanks Gordon.
Having to increase the distance to get a comparison gives a misleading impression. There is now way I could walk that far and it doesn't allow for getting slower the further I go.
Also timed walks are in a gym with a physio by your side ready to catch you if you fall but pushing you to walk as fast as you can.
I really appreciate your help.
Kirsteen
Having to increase the distance to get a comparison gives a misleading impression. There is now way I could walk that far and it doesn't allow for getting slower the further I go.
Also timed walks are in a gym with a physio by your side ready to catch you if you fall but pushing you to walk as fast as you can.
I really appreciate your help.
Kirsteen
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