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11 years 4 months ago #94333 by Derekq
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Hello Forum
I have looked at Genaral FAQ's "sending documents to atos & dwp" but would be interested in other people's thoughts.

I have received my esa50 and have been warmly invited to fill in the exquisitely scripted questionnarie.

The covering letter states DO NOT send any medical statements !
but if you have medical documents to send them with your questionnaire, well I am on IB long term and do not have any current medical documents to send, is this a major failing not to have medical documents ?

As has been said some people send a copy of there esa50 direct to the DM at the dwp dealing with there case, would this be a good move to get maybe a med4 or some other type of medical documents or even a letter from my GP if he will write one that is.

If I send a copy to the DM at the dwp are they likely to even read it ??? are the dwp likely to send me a letter saying they have received my copy of the esa50, maybe they will just file it untill atos get back to them.

I assume that atos will return my esa50 to the dwp when they have read it and after I have a medical ? there report will also go to the dwp for the DM to give there final verdict.

Just to recap is there a benefit to sending a copy of esa50 to dwp and would any form of medical document help at the DM end of the chain.

Sorry so long winded post but getting worried .................

Thanks, Derek.

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11 years 4 months ago - 11 years 4 months ago #94339 by summertrain
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I wondered that too Derek. But it refers to fit notes. If you look in the next paragraph it then refers to letters of support that can be sent with the ESA50
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11 years 4 months ago - 11 years 4 months ago #94341 by bro58
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Derekq wrote:

Hello Forum
I have looked at Genaral FAQ's "sending documents to atos & dwp" but would be interested in other people's thoughts.

I have received my esa50 and have been warmly invited to fill in the exquisitely scripted questionnarie.

The covering letter states DO NOT send any medical statements !
but if you have medical documents to send them with your questionnaire, well I am on IB long term and do not have any current medical documents to send, is this a major failing not to have medical documents ?

As has been said some people send a copy of there esa50 direct to the DM at the dwp dealing with there case, would this be a good move to get maybe a med4 or some other type of medical documents or even a letter from my GP if he will write one that is.

If I send a copy to the DM at the dwp are they likely to even read it ??? are the dwp likely to send me a letter saying they have received my copy of the esa50, maybe they will just file it untill atos get back to them.

I assume that atos will return my esa50 to the dwp when they have read it and after I have a medical ? there report will also go to the dwp for the DM to give there final verdict.

Just to recap is there a benefit to sending a copy of esa50 to dwp and would any form of medical document help at the DM end of the chain.

Sorry so long winded post but getting worried .................

Thanks, Derek.


Hi Dq,

As you may have noticed, there is a currnet thread on sending recorded mail to ATOS, here :

www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/forum?func=vie...id=10&id=94274#94274

As you have received your ESA50, you may wish to consider :

Using The PDF Version Of The ESA50 Questionnaire

Whilst referring to the associated section in our :

ESA Claims Guides

With respect to the ESA50, see :

How long do I have to complete the ESA50?

ESA50 too big for the envelope

The Medical Statements that they refer to are Fit/Sick Notes (MED 3's).

The Medical Documents that they refer to would be such things as letters of support from one's G.P., Consultant or other treating HCP, extracts from your G.P. hospital records, x-ray, MRI scan reports etc, letter from your G.P. to a Consultant or vice-versa, etc, etc.

Sending a copy of your ESA50 and any supporting evidence to the DWP ESA DM, it totally at your own discretion, and not obligatory. It may be done as a back-up, in case any thing is lost at the ATOS end, as it is the DWP ESA DM who actually makes the decision. Therefore, it is only a safe guard.

It is entirely possible to be awarded ESA in either WRAG or SG, without any extra evidenece, but you will need to go into great detail in your ESA50 , on how your limitations as a result of your medical conditions fit in with the WRAG and SG Descriptors, see :

Qualifying for the Support Group

&

Qualifying for the WRAG


You can use letters of support from friends, relatives, or carers who know how your limitations affect you on a daily basis.

You could also write an hourly breakdown of a "typical day" (24 hour period) in your life.

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11 years 4 months ago #94343 by Gordon
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Derek

The ESA50 is actually referring to Fit Notes, which should always be sent to the the DWP, however, as you are being transferred from IB this is not a requirement anyway.

To be clear, any other form of medical evidence, including copies of a Fit Note may be attached to the ESA50.

There used to be good reason to send a copy of your documents to the DWP, as mysteriously, many ESA50s became seperated from their evidence in the journey from ATOS to the DWP.

It is worth saying, that I have not heard of this happening in the last two years, there will be probably now be a flurry of posts to the contrary, so it is now really a matter of preference. Certainly you do no harm by sending a duplicate copy, it won't shorten the process, but sometimes this is all about you feeling you have done everything you could.

With regard to your not having any up to date medical evidence, other than visiting your GP to see whether they are willing to refer you on, you may be able to make use of your existing medical records, see

Requesting your medical records

Charging for medical records

Gordon

Nothing on this board constitutes legal advice - always consult a professional about specific problems

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11 years 4 months ago #94387 by Derekq
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Hello Forum
Thanks, Gordon, Bro58 & Summertrain for your replies on my post, also thanks Gordon & Bro58 for the usful links which I am reading through and noteing down points.

I am under a couple of hospital clinics for different problems, I should have been more on the ball regarding getting medical documents in advance, that is if these verious hospital dept's would help that is.

As I have limited time to return the esa50, I will send any medical documents I can get to the DWP ESA DM direct if my time for return is to close to wait, if I can get some documents in time then I will only send copies to atos.

I will approch my GP for some kind of detailed letter of my verious problems, I get the feeling that GP's are reluctant to stick there neck out by writing a letter but you never know, don't ask - don't get, failing that I will ask to see my medical records and at least get dates and info from there, I will compile a "case" and let them have that at least then it can be back tracked.

I have had a look at the "med3" form as you said Bro58 I see what you mean its not the right thing for this purpose.

Thanks again for your info & help.

Regards, Derek.

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11 years 4 months ago - 11 years 4 months ago #94388 by bro58
Replied by bro58 on topic Re:Sending esa50 documents to dwp
Derekq wrote:

Hello Forum
Thanks, Gordon, Bro58 & Summertrain for your replies on my post, also thanks Gordon & Bro58 for the usful links which I am reading through and noteing down points.

I am under a couple of hospital clinics for different problems, I should have been more on the ball regarding getting medical documents in advance, that is if these verious hospital dept's would help that is.

As I have limited time to return the esa50, I will send any medical documents I can get to the DWP ESA DM direct if my time for return is to close to wait, if I can get some documents in time then I will only send copies to atos.

I will approch my GP for some kind of detailed letter of my verious problems, I get the feeling that GP's are reluctant to stick there neck out by writing a letter but you never know, don't ask - don't get, failing that I will ask to see my medical records and at least get dates and info from there, I will compile a "case" and let them have that at least then it can be back tracked.

I have had a look at the "med3" form as you said Bro58 I see what you mean its not the right thing for this purpose.

Thanks again for your info & help.

Regards, Derek.


Hi Dq,

It may well be worth while contacting the reception at your G.P. practice with respect to gaining copies of your G.P. records.

You may well be lucky, regarding time constraints, if it works on a similar system to my own. They have an IT person who comes in once a month to deal with all requests for copies of G.P. records, etc. When I requested mine, I was lucky in that he was due in 7 days time. I gained copy of mine on a CD, within 8 days, for a fee of £20.

Of course, your G.P. practice may well operate a different system, but well worth a query.

Further, for future reference, when you see a consultant as an outpatient at the Hospital, you can request that you are copied in on any post clinic letters that the consultant sends to your G.P. This should be done free of charge, and without having to fill in any documentation. If you have any problems consult PALS at the Hospital in question.

It may also be possible to "view" your G.P. records at your G.P. practice and simply ask for copies of any relevant extracts, such as Consultant post clinic letters, reports etc, the same applies at the Hospital.

bro58

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