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11 years 4 months ago #95214 by shrinathji
Replied by shrinathji on topic Re:Overlaping Conditions
Hi,

Just to confirm that my friend was recently told by her rheumatologist that she had fabromyalgia and personally gave her the web details and booklet details which i have given to you.

All the conditions including MS have very similliar symptoms,which is why alot of people have found it has taken their specialists months if not years to give a diagnosis.

If you cannot find suitable info on the previous sites then try this one that Gordon very kindly gave on a different thread.

guidance.nice.org.uk CG53

However, i think you need to realise that with ESA, you have to detail how your condition effects your ability to work, as two people with the same condition may well experiece the conditions symptoms differently. Therefore, it is important that you say it how it is!!!!!

Good Luck.

Radhika.

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11 years 4 months ago - 11 years 4 months ago #95218 by bro58
Replied by bro58 on topic Re:Overlaping Conditions
PC wrote:

Thanks Jim

Sorry for late response. My overlapping conditions incapacitated me more than ever. Haha. I've been in the hospital for surgery that I haven't been able to have because the NHS thinks I am too sick for an anaesthetic. Should get them to tell that to DWP who think I am too healthy for support group. You couldn't make it up.

I am sure the reference you have provided will be a useful argument for my appeal. It is something I have tried to argue myself. Eg, arthritis in neck, eczema in hands and asthma make it impossible to propel wheelchair. Whilst each of these impairments don't appeal too severe, their combined effects are very debilitating. Having a reference will, I hope be more convincing.

Thank you.

P C


Hi PC.

What you must take into account here, is that you could suffer from 20 or 30 different health conditions, but, for example, using the Mobilising Descriptor, if they only affected your lower body and limbs,(which may result in walking limitations) and did not result in sitting limitations, or moving from one seated position to another seated position next to each other unaided, then you probably would not qualify under the Mobilising Descriptor, as you would be deemed as being able to use a manual wheelchair unaided, as you have no upper body/limb problems.

The point that I am trying to make is, with ESA, you have to fit very narrow paramaters with respect to the descriptors, unless you can qualify under Exceptional Circumstances.

Therefore, even though a multitude of overlapping conditions may well mean that you suffer significant disability, this fact alone will not qualify you for an award of WRAG or SG.

How many times have we seen in an ESA85A that the ATOS HCP has conceded that "the claimant suffers significant disability" ?, and yet they still don't recommend SG , they recommend WRAG.

The only way to qualify for ESA is to show that you fulfill the relevant ESA Descriptors as laid down in the ESA Regs. (Including Excep Circs)

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11 years 4 months ago #95223 by Pipp
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Thanks bro

I am arguing that although I have a wheelchair I am not able to self propel due to arthritic cervical spine, eczema on hands and asthma etc. the reference jim provided puts it in a succinct way that does help in explaining to others that in isolation the various conditions could appear less debilitating than when they are combined.

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11 years 4 months ago - 11 years 4 months ago #95224 by shrinathji
Replied by shrinathji on topic Re:Overlaping Conditions
Hi bro58,

You have made some really valid points.

Can i ask that if you felt that in a certain S/G descriptor,can you say after you have detailed your problems that you feel that you qualify for S/G.

eg, under exceptional circumstances, where by you have "some specific disease or bodily or mental disablement that would be a serious risk if you were found to have limited capability of work. Would she have to write on a seperate sheet making reference to the above and how she fits that descriptor and obviously giving clear reasons with examples.

Thanks.

Radhika.
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11 years 4 months ago #95225 by shrinathji
Replied by shrinathji on topic Re:Overlaping Conditions
radhika wrote:

Hi,

Just to confirm that my friend was recently told by her rheumatologist that she had fabromyalgia and personally gave her the web details and booklet details which i have given to you.

All the conditions including MS have very similliar symptoms,which is why alot of people have found it has taken their specialists months if not years to give a diagnosis.

If you cannot find suitable info on the previous sites then try this one that Gordon very kindly gave on a different thread.

guidance.nice.org.uk CG53

However, i think you need to realise that with ESA, you have to detail how your condition effects your ability to work, as two people with the same condition may well experiece the conditions symptoms differently. Therefore, it is important that you say it how it is!!!!!

Good Luck.

Radhika.



Sorry made a mistake. This is the correct details.

guidance.nice.org.uk/CG53

Radhika.

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11 years 4 months ago #95228 by bro58
Replied by bro58 on topic Re:Overlaping Conditions
radhika wrote:

Hi bro58,

You have made some really valid points.

Can i ask that if you felt that in a certain S/G descriptor,can you say after you have detailed your problems that you feel that you qualify for S/G.

eg, under exceptional circumstances, where by you have "some specific disease or bodily or mental disablement that would be a serious risk if you were found to have limited capability of work. Would she have to write on a seperate sheet making reference to the above and how she fits that descriptor and obviously giving clear reasons with examples.

Thanks.

Radhika.


Hi R,

You are perfectly entitled to draw reference to any particular activity descriptors that you feel that you may qualify under, including Exceptional Circumstance.

i.e. One could write something along the lines, I have suffered with xxx since xxxx, which has been medical diagnosed and confirmed (refer to supporting evidence) This results in the following limitations, xxxxxxxxxxxxx, and as a result of these limitations, I feel that I qualify for WRAG/SG status with respect the LCW/LCWRA Descriptors at Activity xxxxx, in that (Explanation)

Or something similar.

bro58

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