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11 years 1 day ago - 11 years 1 day ago #103079 by nofuss
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Hi

I have been reading the excellent guides and have almost completed my ESA50 with their help but my head is spinning regarding the 'moving around' section.

I would appreciate your thoughts on the following, with apologies if I am being incredibly thick:

a) With "moving around", does the 'needing to stop' mean to stop moving/walking altogether? Or can it mean to stop to rest for a few moments before carrying on walking again?

b) Does anyone have any idea what 'as often as you need to' actually means in terms of how far in total the DWP/ATOS feel it is permissible to walk and still be able to satisfy the descriptors enough to attract any/some points?

d) If one can, for instance, walk 100 metres a number of times consecutivly, but only if one can stop every 100 metres for a rest to reduce pain and fatigue, would it be likely that it would be classed/viewed as being able to 'repeatedly' walk 100 metres, do you think?

Thank you in anticipation of any thoughts on this.
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11 years 1 day ago #103084 by bro58
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nofuss wrote: Hi

I have been reading the excellent guides and have almost completed my ESA50 with their help but my head is spinning regarding the 'moving around' section.

I would appreciate your thoughts on the following, with apologies if I am being incredibly thick:

a) With "moving around", does the 'needing to stop' mean to stop moving/walking altogether? Or can it mean to stop to rest for a few moments before carrying on walking again?

b) Does anyone have any idea what 'as often as you need to' actually means in terms of how far in total the DWP/ATOS feel it is permissible to walk and still be able to satisfy the descriptors enough to attract any/some points?

d) If one can, for instance, walk 100 metres a number of times consecutivly, but only if one can stop every 100 metres for a rest to reduce pain and fatigue, would it be likely that it would be classed/viewed as being able to 'repeatedly' walk 100 metres, do you think?

Thank you in anticipation of any thoughts on this.


Hi nf,

Only the distance that you can "Mobilise" by walking or by the use of a manual wheelchair unaided before the onset of any pain severe discomfort or breathlessness should be counted.

Any distance "Mobilised" after this should not count, therefore if you have to "stop" due to this after say 40 metres, but can then carry on for a further 40 metres, only the first 40 metres should count.

This is covered in our : ESA Claims Guides

You may find the DM Guide helpful, as well :

DM GUIDE LCW & LCWRA :

DM Guide LCW & LCWRA

&

DM Guide ESA Amendments from 28/01/13


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11 years 1 day ago - 11 years 1 day ago #103085 by bro58
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bro58 wrote:

nofuss wrote: Hi

I have been reading the excellent guides and have almost completed my ESA50 with their help but my head is spinning regarding the 'moving around' section.

I would appreciate your thoughts on the following, with apologies if I am being incredibly thick:

a) With "moving around", does the 'needing to stop' mean to stop moving/walking altogether? Or can it mean to stop to rest for a few moments before carrying on walking again?

b) Does anyone have any idea what 'as often as you need to' actually means in terms of how far in total the DWP/ATOS feel it is permissible to walk and still be able to satisfy the descriptors enough to attract any/some points?

d) If one can, for instance, walk 100 metres a number of times consecutivly, but only if one can stop every 100 metres for a rest to reduce pain and fatigue, would it be likely that it would be classed/viewed as being able to 'repeatedly' walk 100 metres, do you think?

Thank you in anticipation of any thoughts on this.


Hi nf,

Only the distance that you can "Mobilise" by walking or by the use of a manual wheelchair unaided before the onset of any pain severe discomfort or breathlessness should be counted.

Any distance "Mobilised" after this should not count, therefore if you have to "stop" due to this after say 40 metres, but can then carry on for a further 40 metres, only the first 40 metres should count.

This is covered in our : ESA Claims Guides

You may find the DM Guide helpful, as well :

DM GUIDE LCW & LCWRA :

DM Guide LCW & LCWRA

&

DM Guide ESA Amendments from 28/01/13


bro58


See also :

Qualifying for the WRAG

Qualifying for the Support Group

WRAG (LCW) Descriptors

&

SG (LCWRA) Descriptors

bro58
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11 years 1 day ago #103089 by Gordon
Replied by Gordon on topic Queries re 'moving around'
Nofuss

Have you looked at the ESA Claim guides as this topic is covered, also they explain the actual ESA Descriptors rather than what is on the ESA50 form?

First, this is not a walking test, but a test of your mobility, in addition to how far you can walk, you will also be assessed on how far you can propel a manual wheelchair, unless you can show that you cannot propel a manual wheelchair or that it not reasonable for you to use one.+

a) It means needing to stop because of significant discomfort or worse and/or exhaustion, if you are able to continue then it must not be within a reasonable time, there is no definition of what "reasonable" means.

b) The Descriptor considers you ability to mobilise over 50m, 100m, up to 200m, and over 200m

c) It depends, if you were able to continue for a second 100m without significant discomfort or exhaustion, if you could then it would be dependant on whether the period between was unreasonable, if the second 100m involved significant discomfort or exhaustion then it should not be counted.

Gordon

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11 years 12 hours ago #103093 by nofuss
Replied by nofuss on topic Queries re 'moving around'
Thank you so much for the references, bro58 and thank you too, Gordon - for answering my questions. I have things straighter in my head now - I am much obliged to you.

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