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TOPIC: confused about 20 metre pip ??

confused about 20 metre pip ?? 4 months 1 week ago #181442

hi i have breathlessnss up to 20 metres in the mornings i have to lean on a table and walls on the way to the bathroom. later on in the afternoons i have discomfort and breathlessness around 15 or 20 metres. I am hoping to get pip to help me with my problems,But i dont undrstand the 20 metre question i i can walk 20 metres and more later on,but can not walk 20 metres in the mornings, The question in pip says. Can not walk twenty metres. Does that mean can not walk 20 metres and thats it or does it mean can not walk twenty metres without pain discomfort, ect. Help i am new at this and its like some sort of mind game.

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confused about 20 metre pip ?? 4 months 1 week ago #181464

eve wrote: hi i have breathlessnss up to 20 metres in the mornings i have to lean on a table and walls on the way to the bathroom. later on in the afternoons i have discomfort and breathlessness around 15 or 20 metres. I am hoping to get pip to help me with my problems,But i dont undrstand the 20 metre question i i can walk 20 metres and more later on,but can not walk 20 metres in the mornings, The question in pip says. Can not walk twenty metres. Does that mean can not walk 20 metres and thats it or does it mean can not walk twenty metres without pain discomfort, ect. Help i am new at this and its like some sort of mind game.


You must be able to walk the 20m reliably on the majority of days to be considered as being able to walk it.

You are not required to walk pain free, but any pain that limits the distance that you can walk should be taken in to account. The same applies for breathlessness and exhaustion.

If you are in severe pain but still able to walk then you can argue that you are not walking to a necessary standard.

You say that your walking is severely restricted in the morning but less so later in the day. You need to show that are reasons why you need to walk in the morning when you are restricted or you risk the DWP taking the view that you can walk further. For example, if you have to have regular blood tests then these usually have to be carried out in the morning so that the completed tests can be sent to the local hospital in the afternoon.

Have a look at the PIP Claim guide for more information.

Gordon

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confused about 20 metre pip ?? 4 months 1 week ago #181566

hi i have looked at the guides.I am not able to put it in more simple terms.I have stage 4 Copd. I have severe coughing fits and shortness of breath.From the time i wake up to the time i am washed and dressed is around 2 hours every morning.I cant walk about i just about manage to get to the bartroom and back to my bedroom.I have to keep taking rest .as i have a hacking cough , while getting ready.I am breathless all the time its just really bad mornings and at night. And what ever the time of day i get breathless and pain with activities.It just verys from really bad to worse. Its very severe mornings where a few metres is really bad.Where i can walk 15 to 20 rest of the day haveing pain and breathlessness up to 20 metres. I will have to stop and rest to manage another 20 .Does that mean i can manage 20 metres or not. As i need to stop and rest up to twenty metres whatever the time of day. I walk slow and make appontments in the afternoon .If i have morning appointments i have to allow for 2 hours before i can leave the house. sorry about this its just the way it is.

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confused about 20 metre pip ?? 4 months 1 week ago #181589

Eve

Please have a look at the definition of "reliably" in the PIP Claim guide, you seem to have a good argument that you cannot walk more than 20m but you need to present it in a way that is supported by the legal definitions that control how PIP operates.

Gordon

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confused about 20 metre pip ?? 4 months 6 days ago #181960

hi gordon i have been going through all the guides. I found out that if a claimant can walk 20 metres but cant repeat it till the next day; then they would be unable to manage 20 metres.As i could repeat the 20 metres the same day. Even though a bit slower i could after a rest. My head is spinning with all this .I might be better of not ticking any box.And using the information box below, As the options do not reflect my problems either, please advice about this as i have to send this back by the 28 feb help me.
All so i have just read my letter of support from my consultant.Its good apart from it states I quote. This condition makes her breathless on minimal exertion. She can only walk short distances without stopping on the flat as she gets very breathless.
The problem with this it says short distances. I have not got much time should i get in touch and request they put in less then 50 metres instead of short distances? As it is vague.

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confused about 20 metre pip ?? 4 months 5 days ago #181980

Eve

I think that you have misunderstood repeatability. :)

The requirement is not that you can only walk once a day, although only being able to do so, would certainly be an issue, but rather that you cannot repeat the distance within a reasonable time.

There's no definition of what this mean, but as a couple of examples; if you could walk 20m and then after a pause of 30 second you could walk another 20m then you probably wouldn't meet the requirement, but if the pause was for 5 minutes, then you probably would.

One of the things to look at is the total time, including pauses, that it takes you to walk a distance as this may allow you to also argue "in a timely manner" and maybe even "to a necessary standard".

Gordon

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