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12 years 11 months ago #54465 by Gordon
Jox

Medical reports are very difficult, because to a considerable extent, the HCP is stating an opinion not a fact.

Opinions are based on a persons experience, in this case the HCPs experience of evaluating other claimants. That said, an opinion that is at odds with the opinion of others, particularly if those others are regarded as more knowledgable, either because of their training (e.g. a consultant vs a nurse), or because of their personal knowledge of you, can be challenged as unreasonable.

By suggesting that it is the Decision Makers role to evaluate this is disingenuous, as it is the HCPs role to collect medical information. They are perfectly enitled to state that in their opinion your pain is not sufficient to prevent you walking a 100 metres, but to have failed to record you feel the pain deliberately changes the nature of the report.

Gordon

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12 years 11 months ago #54469 by Jox
i understand, well there are a few activites she says i can manaage with no mention of the fact that those activitys cause me pain. she didnt evern fill out the walking section she only mentions walking in the summary at the end of the report. im tired upset and angry right now im going to sleep on it and look over everything again tomorow and start from there.

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12 years 11 months ago #54480 by originaldave
Replied by originaldave on topic Re: Just recived copy of my ATOS medical report
Gold6082 wrote:

a disgusting example of the ATOS staff ignoring and making assumptions for the genuinely disabled.

I would lodge an appeal using the CAB at you're first available chance,if you cannot make it to the CAB maybe an advisor could help you over the phone.

Certainly do not let it rest there if you feel badly treated.


while I agree its a bad report .. I dont think its a disgusting example ... its also not someone making assumptions its someone making a medical opinion

I agree it should be complained about, but using the wrong words might one day see someone get bitten back by a DR taking action via the medical defence union

gordons advice as usual is spot on
gordons :)

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12 years 10 months ago #56388 by carruthers
Replied by carruthers on topic Re:Just recived copy of my ATOS medical report
Gordon wrote:

Jox

Medical reports are very difficult, because to a considerable extent, the HCP is stating an opinion not a fact.

Opinions are based on a persons experience, in this case the HCPs experience of evaluating other claimants. That said, an opinion that is at odds with the opinion of others, particularly if those others are regarded as more knowledgable, either because of their training (e.g. a consultant vs a nurse), or because of their personal knowledge of you, can be challenged as unreasonable.

By suggesting that it is the Decision Makers role to evaluate this is disingenuous, as it is the HCPs role to collect medical information. They are perfectly enitled to state that in their opinion your pain is not sufficient to prevent you walking a 100 metres, but to have failed to record you feel the pain deliberately changes the nature of the report.

Gordon

Gordon, a more general point here (not trying hijack your thread, Jox!).

We have heard here several people saying that they have taken along reports from their GP/consultant/CPN only for the ATOS HCP to dismiss them as "irrelevant" - presumably because on the grounds that they are assessing functioning and not diagnosis.

I have previously assumed (and it seems I am not alone) that the theory of the thing was the DMs job was to look at the report of the HCP and that of other medical personnel. The reports that we hear from inside ATOS indicate that the HCPs do not have enough time to read any additional material - they are too busy making sure that the LIMA material is done.

From your statements here, it seems that in fact nobody looks at any medical reports at all. Any judgement as to whether you are in constant pain, or are subject to bouts of recurring fever which put you in bed for a week, or are liable to fits if you don't get the medication right, all these need the back up of those who see you frequently. This would lead to a situation where HCP does not accept, or include your report of constant pain, and does not bother with the medical reports, because they're "irrelevant". If the DM will not look at them either, then is anyone taking any notice of them at all?

So if the DWP does not believe you about pain or fatigue they will not take any notice of anyone else either. Presumably the same applies for the frequency of intermittent symptoms (like fits or falls) or the presence of invisible problems, like gallstones. The LIMA printout would, then, be the totality of the "medical" evidence available to the DM, apart from your form.

Have I got this right?

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12 years 10 months ago - 12 years 10 months ago #56400 by melrose
My report said I could walk with no problems at all, that despite not being able to stand as I had a slipped disc at the time! :laugh:

Its not funny though, I'm currently awaiting a home ATOS medical for DLA appeal, the assigned doctor phoned me on Sunday evening a week ago and asked if he could come over on Monday morning!!! I said I had to wait for my Welfare rights worker, he said he would phone me in the morning to see if it was OK for that day, my Welfare Rights Worker couldn't make it so I said no. He said he would write to me giving "plenty of notice", I'm still waiting on the letter, in other words I'm being punished for being 'difficult'.

I intend to make it as difficult as possible for the doctor to record inaccurate statements this time, Welfare Rights Worker will be there recording my responses on his own copy of the form. We shall have a camera set up to record and I've arranged for an independent medical with a private doctor. Oh and I got copies of all correspondence between my hospital consultant and my doctor which backs up everything Ive said. Take the fight to them I say.... appeal and arm yourself to the teeth before battle commences!!!
Last edit: 12 years 10 months ago by Crazydiamond. Reason: Potentially libellous word removed.

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