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5 years 8 months ago #215695 by Sienna
DLA had not responded to tribunal request as to why they stopped my DLA, refused to receive my PIP form as was very late due to ill health. DLA has sent a new PIP form to complete. Tribunal Service are saying DLA failed to respond to their request for information in the correct timeframe and so have applied to a judge to ask for direction how to proceed. Tribunal Service state no contact so far at all from PIP. PIP say they have written to the Tribunal Service to ask for longer to process their information which they will then send to them. Meanwhile PIP have send me a completely new PIP form and asked me to complete, they say if I fail to do so they will inform the Tribunal of this fact. Any ideas about the correct path to follow?

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5 years 8 months ago #215711 by Gordon
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Sienna

Welcome to the forum, you might want to have a look at the following FAQ which explains where everything is

Welcome to Benefits and Work

I hope you will forgive me but your post is a bit confusing but from what I can work out, you were in receipt of DLA and were invited to claim PIP.

You failed to return the PIP2 by the required date and as a result, your PIP claim was closed and because of this your DLA also.

This is where it becomes unclear, have the DWP accepted your reasons for the PIP forms being late?

If they have then your claim should continue and your DLA should have been reinstated, however, you would not be the first person where we have not seen this happen. This being the case then I cannot see why a new PIP form would be required unless you did not actually return the original one at all, if this is the case then the new form is reasonable and you must complete and return it by the required date.

If they have not accepted your reasons then the normal procedure is to start a new claim for PIP on the day after your DLA ceased, as this is a new claim then a new PIP2 is required.

If this is not your situation then I'm afraid you will need to explain in more detail.

Gordon

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5 years 8 months ago - 5 years 8 months ago #216245 by Sienna
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Thank you for your answer. The scenario was i had a total of nine graciously approved extensions, attempted home visits also but was so unwell over the past year could not get pip to the dwp on time, but there was a procedural error which they admitted which was that they advised me of the wrong cut off date for return.

They sent me an apology letter and admitted procedural error. I got caught up in that complaint and due to stress and ill health was not able to send the pip within the mandatory reconsideration period. As it was the pip would not have reached them on time so i did not send to them. They still however approved the right to first tier tribunal and sent me the appropriate application which i sent to the first tier tribunal service and they accepted it and the dwp has just now apparently sent over to them the reasons they stopped my dla and refused my pip.

At no point did anybody in the dwp tell me that after my dla was disallowed that i would have to complete a new pip. After all they have never seen my original pip. The clerk to the tribunal has said i should send all documents to the court ie my pip 2 form and all medical evidence.

However, the dwp sent me another pip to complete before the judge has responded to the first tier tribunals concerns that the dwp were not folliwing correct procedure and did not send any documentation to them regarding reasons for disallowing both dla and pip. Sorry i know its confusing all round. In short, a new pip form sent from the dwp, while i was waiting for the judge to instruct the tribunal service on how to proceed as the dwp had sent no documents to them whatsoever and two clerks actually told me that it was not the right thing to do to fill that new pip form in.

The dwp themselves could have explained the whole thing to me easily but they did not. I now have to wait to find the judges decision, whether the dwp have asked for a time extension and for what reason and the course of action the judge tells the dwp to follow. At no point did the dwp tell me that i could have my dla re instated if i had good cause and reason for being late with pip return, in fact they told me the opposite.

This is probably even more confusing for you!!!! Apologies. Even with all the information on your website and access to the internet there are still some questions i cannot find the answer to. I find the forums difficult to access, just my lack of pc ability i suppose but thank you for your time. I really need to know - can i go to tribunal even though the dwp have never seen my pip2? They stopped my dla before the cut off date they gave me so that was a procedural error but they only apologised and said it would not be re in stated.

Then they said they had applied for extra time i thought this was to send paperwork over to the tribunal service but now am wondering if they meant to send me a new pip form.. If this is the case they could have explained this to me in the many telephone calls between myself and them and in the letter they sent with the new pip2.

They never mentioned the tribunal service in this letter so i supposed they were not instructed to send me a form, i thought i was merely dealing with the tribunal after my tribunal application and was very confused to receive a new pip form. I am now wondering if the correct thing to do was to fill in the new pip form whilst awaiting tribunal, but then again i did not think the dwp could act without the judge making a decision on the next move so i am flummosed.

O dear this is a muddle sorry you probably will say go to the forum!!!! Thank you for your time.
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5 years 8 months ago #216271 by Gordon
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Sienna

Please don't post in Capitals especially when you do not include any paragraph breaks, it's almost impossible to read. :)


OK, notwithstanding the DWP admitting a procedural error you did not return the original PIP2 to them, that is why your DLA claim was closed. Once an invitation to claim PIP has been issued the claimants DLA claim will be closed whether their PIP claim is successful or not.

My guess is that they have started a new PIP claim for you and that is why a new PIP2 has been issued. If you do not complete this form then this claim will also be closed.

If the DWP has started a new claim then any Decision that results from this would be completely separate from anything to do with your appeal.


Gordon

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5 years 8 months ago #216465 by Sienna
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Thank you Gordon. The DWP did send me a new claim form but when I telephoned them they said it was linked to my original PIP claim and also sent me a letter stating that the form was linked to my original claim. This is the claim they refused on the grounds that my PIP2 was late.

The Tribunal Service cannot advise me whether to fill this form in or go to Tribunal. They said that now the DWP has responded with their arguments as to why they stopped my DLA the Tribunal Service do not need to be directed by their judge and therefore I can go straight to Tribunal.

I need advice as to whether I can legally go to Tribunal with my first PIP2 which has never been seen by the DWP. Can it be used as my evidence to their arguments at Tribunal or is there some legal requirement for the DWP to have seen that original PIP2 before I attend Tribunal. Of course the DWP gave me the right to go to Tribunal with their mandatory reconsideration letter, which I sent on to the Tribunals Service. Do you have any idea what is the best course of action?

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5 years 8 months ago #216478 by Gordon
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Sienna

Only you can decide what to do with the appeal and the new claim but I can tell you that these are totally separate from each other, you can pursue one, the other or both as you wish.


However, understand that the appeal is purely about your failure to return the form, no award of PIP will be made if it is successful and the new claim will result in a new Decision which will supersede any previous ones, whatever it is and will likely apply from the day after you DLA was stopped.

So there may be no monetary benefit in pursuing the appeal but you should confirm the situation with the DWP before making any decision on this.

Obviously, any new claim is dependant on your returning the new PIP2.

Gordon

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