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11 years 2 months ago - 11 years 2 months ago #98987 by Gareth56
Replied by Gareth56 on topic Standing & Sitting
Thanks Gordon

It may have clicked but I'm still unsure as to the discrepancies between what choices are on the ESA50 and what the descriptors say!


By the way does the adjustable chair that is mentioned have arms?

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11 years 2 months ago - 11 years 2 months ago #98990 by Gordon
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Gareth wrote: Thanks Gordon

According to the B&W [new] ESA50 guide it says with respect to this descriptor:-

(c) Cannot, for the majority of the time, remain at a work station, either:
(i) standing unassisted by another person (even if free to move around) or;
(ii) sitting (even in an adjustable chair); or
(iii) a combination of (i) and (ii),
for more than an hour before needing to move away in order to avoid significant discomfort or exhaustion. 6 points

So according to the guide you get 6 points for "more than 1 hour".

The guide also says this (my enbolding) "You score 9 points if you can’t do this activity for more than 30 minutes and 6 points if you can’t do it for more than an hour."

Also does the adjustable chair that is mentioned have arms?

:unsure:


You are mis-reading it :)

(c) Cannot ... for more than one hour e.g. less than one hour.

Gordon

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11 years 2 months ago - 11 years 2 months ago #98991 by Gareth56
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Misreading, story of my life!!! :laugh:

What's confusing me is that the descriptors don't mention 'less than 30mins' they only say:-

"Cannot, for the majority of the time, remain at a work station, either:
blah blah blah.... for more than 30 minutes 9 points" So I read that as between 0mins and 30mins.

The next descriptor says:-
Cannot, for the majority of the time, remain at a work station, either:
blah blah blah....for more than an hour..... 6 points" So I read that as between 0 mins and 60mins.

I now see that the 'More than one hour' option on the ESA50 is a 0 pointer

I'm having difficulty equating the ESA50 option viz. 30mins to one hour' and the (c) Descriptor viz. "Cannot, for the majority of the time, remain at a work station, either..blah blah blah....for more than an hour..... 6 points"

For example if you say to someone I cannot stand or sit for more than 1 hour, to me that means you're telling them that you cannot stand or sit for anywhere between 0mins and 60mins.

Hope that makes sense!!


Any opinions about the adjustable chair?

thanks

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11 years 2 months ago - 11 years 2 months ago #98992 by Gordon
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Gareth

This is really no different from the Mobilising descriptor, it has always been the case that you tick the most restrictive descriptor that you meet.

So if cannot stand or sit... for more than 30 minutes then you would tick the less than 30 mins box
- you could not tick the 30 minutes to one hour box as you cannot stand or sit for more than 30 mins.
- you could not tick the more than hour box as you cannot stand or sit for more than 30 mins.


If you can stand or sit .. for more than 30 minutes, but cannot for more than one hour then you would tick the 30 minutes to one hour box.
- You could not tick the less than 30 min box as you can stand/sit for longer than this.
- You could not tick the more than one hour box as you cannot stand/sit for more than an hour.

If you can stand or sit... for more than 1 hour then you would tick the more than one hour box
- you could not tick the less than 30 minutes box because you can stand/sit for longer than this,
- you could not tick the 30 minutes to one hour box because you can stand/sit for longer than this

With regard the chair, Steve discusses in the new ESA Physical guide (page 38).

Gordon

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11 years 2 months ago #99001 by Gareth56
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Thanks again Gordon. It may click one day! :(

I've looked at Pg38 and beyond of the (new ESA50 guide but it doesn't mention if the chair has arms just that it's an adjustable chair.

This is what it says

For the purposes of this test, you will be assessed on the length of time you could sit in an
‘adjustable’ chair if this would allow you to sit for longer.

No mention of whether it has arms just adjustable whatever adjustable means.

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11 years 2 months ago #99004 by Gordon
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Gareth wrote: Thanks again Gordon. It may click one day! :(

I've looked at Pg38 and beyond of the (new ESA50 guide but it doesn't mention if the chair has arms just that it's an adjustable chair.

This is what it says

For the purposes of this test, you will be assessed on the length of time you could sit in an
‘adjustable’ chair if this would allow you to sit for longer.

No mention of whether it has arms just adjustable whatever adjustable means.


If it is important that the chair has arms, or indeed, that it should not, then you should include this in the comments section for this question, explaining why you need a chair of this configuration, and the effects that not having a properly configured chair would have on you.

However, it would be reasonable to assume that an "adjustable chair" would have the facility to be used both with and without arms.

Gordon

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