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2 years 8 months ago #269940 by ElGordo
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I’m about to apply for PIP. I’m concerned about some elements of my application, because in my line of work I’m required to function mentally at a pretty high level, which I do successfully. Physically there are fewer demands, but using mobility assistance isn’t always easy so I tend to do so unaided whenever I can. My role is governmental and has a high degree of responsibility for public safety in real time during active public engagement.
The consequence is that in my home life and private time I’m far more reliant on aids for mobility, and often the physical toll leaves me mentally drained and withdrawn, and reluctant to be active - occasionally actively avoidant.
Some days I find myself not functioning well, and medication then has an impact on planning to do things and undertaking plans.
How do I handle the juxtaposition of being “on it” on demand, at work, where public safety is a critical element - and then arguing I can’t do much once I’m home of an evening and on a day off? Will I struggle to convince an assessor that I can go from being reliably able from 7am to 5pm 5 days a week, to being unreliable and unable the rest of the time?
The consequence is that in my home life and private time I’m far more reliant on aids for mobility, and often the physical toll leaves me mentally drained and withdrawn, and reluctant to be active - occasionally actively avoidant.
Some days I find myself not functioning well, and medication then has an impact on planning to do things and undertaking plans.
How do I handle the juxtaposition of being “on it” on demand, at work, where public safety is a critical element - and then arguing I can’t do much once I’m home of an evening and on a day off? Will I struggle to convince an assessor that I can go from being reliably able from 7am to 5pm 5 days a week, to being unreliable and unable the rest of the time?
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2 years 8 months ago #269976 by peter
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Replied by peter on topic PIP: Work impact on home life capabilities, and applying.
Hi Elgordo,
I think you should concentrate on the physical aids you use at home. Each aid you mention can attract points.
There are many things you need to do at home which are not required at work. Cooking, bathing, dressing, housework as some examples.
Remember you should be talking always about your worst day and, during assessment remembering the mantra “I don’t have good days”.
The physical stuff you do at work is as you say limited and you probably adjust to accommodate it despite physical pain and discomfort. It also is likely to be short bursts from which you can recover once the issue has been dealt with.
It is also worth remembering that your work drains you too so much that it makes the physical stuff outside work even harder.
I hope this helps
Regards
Pete
I think you should concentrate on the physical aids you use at home. Each aid you mention can attract points.
There are many things you need to do at home which are not required at work. Cooking, bathing, dressing, housework as some examples.
Remember you should be talking always about your worst day and, during assessment remembering the mantra “I don’t have good days”.
The physical stuff you do at work is as you say limited and you probably adjust to accommodate it despite physical pain and discomfort. It also is likely to be short bursts from which you can recover once the issue has been dealt with.
It is also worth remembering that your work drains you too so much that it makes the physical stuff outside work even harder.
I hope this helps
Regards
Pete
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2 years 8 months ago #269985 by LL26
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Replied by LL26 on topic PIP: Work impact on home life capabilities, and applying.
Hi ElGordo,
To add to Pete's excellent reply, also think about whether or not reasonable adjustments are made at work to enable you to fulfil your role.
A while ago, Judges considered the kind of options disabled people have. For example, loose easy pull on clothing. But what about wearing a smart shirt and tie? The Judges felt it was important that disabled people shouldn't lose out on benefit because they were expected to take the easy option. As long as the alternative was reasonable, (and why shouldn't a disabled person dress in a smart shirt?) then points/benefit should be awarded. This is the principle of normality established in the Fairey case.
Hence it is totally reasonable for a disabled person to work. PIP points are awarded on the basis that you can do the relevant activity repeatedly as required throughout the whole day. If you fail the activity for any part if the day that is more than just a trivial part, then you shoukd score points.
This is where you may be able to gain points. Some activities like dressing may not need to be done many times. Toilet needs and communication may need many repetitions across the day and possibly night. Remember also that dressing comprises not only getting dressed in the morning, but includes putting on outdoor shoes or coat and removing them, this might need to be done several times.
Think about how you can manage to do your work and why you can do this and not do PIP activities across the whole day. Is it fatigue, is it pain, breathlessness or maybe you are too slow, ( take more than twice the time of able bodied person.) This might help you to explain your disabilities. Please also explain the problems you have at work, so if your colleague needs to help you put on your coat to go out, this is absolutely relevant!
Lastly, remember that you can score points for what happens for the majority of days. If you only work part time, this may not be the majority pattern!
I hope this helps.
Good luck. Let us know how you get on.
LL26
To add to Pete's excellent reply, also think about whether or not reasonable adjustments are made at work to enable you to fulfil your role.
A while ago, Judges considered the kind of options disabled people have. For example, loose easy pull on clothing. But what about wearing a smart shirt and tie? The Judges felt it was important that disabled people shouldn't lose out on benefit because they were expected to take the easy option. As long as the alternative was reasonable, (and why shouldn't a disabled person dress in a smart shirt?) then points/benefit should be awarded. This is the principle of normality established in the Fairey case.
Hence it is totally reasonable for a disabled person to work. PIP points are awarded on the basis that you can do the relevant activity repeatedly as required throughout the whole day. If you fail the activity for any part if the day that is more than just a trivial part, then you shoukd score points.
This is where you may be able to gain points. Some activities like dressing may not need to be done many times. Toilet needs and communication may need many repetitions across the day and possibly night. Remember also that dressing comprises not only getting dressed in the morning, but includes putting on outdoor shoes or coat and removing them, this might need to be done several times.
Think about how you can manage to do your work and why you can do this and not do PIP activities across the whole day. Is it fatigue, is it pain, breathlessness or maybe you are too slow, ( take more than twice the time of able bodied person.) This might help you to explain your disabilities. Please also explain the problems you have at work, so if your colleague needs to help you put on your coat to go out, this is absolutely relevant!
Lastly, remember that you can score points for what happens for the majority of days. If you only work part time, this may not be the majority pattern!
I hope this helps.
Good luck. Let us know how you get on.
LL26
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