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2 years 7 months ago #271042 by Raph
Awarded UC-LCWRA, and PIP all via paper-based Assessment. PIP: DL (HR); Mob (SR) – Oct 2021. MR for Mob to be raised to HR: Unsuccessful – Mar 2022 Pending: Appealed unsuccessful MR. Now awaiting Tribunal Hearing date – April 2022
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Does anyone else find this PIP descriptor bizarrely expressed? I stared at it for ages trying to work out what it meant:
Q13 1f. Cannot follow the route of a familiar journey without another person, an assistance dog or an orientation aid.
Why don't they just say make - or undertake - a familiar journey?
Following the route of a familiar journey sounds like they're asking you if you know how to read maps, or if you can remember which route to take without getting lost, not whether your condition prevents you from walking/driving a journey that is familiar to you.
Or do they in fact mean just that - following a route?
Sometimes I picture these executives sitting around a large conference table arguing for hours over each word so by the time each phrase has been through the ringer, they can no longer see the wood for the trees, have lost all connection with the original meaning, and where their question sits on the ambiguity continuum of the average human being.
Meanwhile, claimants stare at pages of opaquely-worded questions like this, feeling utterly overwhelmed and wondering if it's all worth it...
*sigh*
Raph
Does anyone else find this PIP descriptor bizarrely expressed? I stared at it for ages trying to work out what it meant:
Q13 1f. Cannot follow the route of a familiar journey without another person, an assistance dog or an orientation aid.
Why don't they just say make - or undertake - a familiar journey?
Following the route of a familiar journey sounds like they're asking you if you know how to read maps, or if you can remember which route to take without getting lost, not whether your condition prevents you from walking/driving a journey that is familiar to you.
Or do they in fact mean just that - following a route?
Sometimes I picture these executives sitting around a large conference table arguing for hours over each word so by the time each phrase has been through the ringer, they can no longer see the wood for the trees, have lost all connection with the original meaning, and where their question sits on the ambiguity continuum of the average human being.
Meanwhile, claimants stare at pages of opaquely-worded questions like this, feeling utterly overwhelmed and wondering if it's all worth it...
*sigh*
Raph
Awarded UC-LCWRA, and PIP all via paper-based Assessment. PIP: DL (HR); Mob (SR) – Oct 2021. MR for Mob to be raised to HR: Unsuccessful – Mar 2022 Pending: Appealed unsuccessful MR. Now awaiting Tribunal Hearing date – April 2022
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2 years 7 months ago #271043 by BIS
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Replied by BIS on topic PIP Q13 - Going Out – 1f: 'Cannot follow the route of a familiar journey'
Hi Raph
I don't want to argue about semantics - but this particular activity is about the problems a claimant would have navigating a route. So are there any problems; cognitive, sensory or mental health issues that would prevent a claimant from doing this and do they need any assistance?
Undoubtedly you are right there is often a disconnect between how a question is worded by the writers (DWP) and the meaning for the claimants and that is why a couple of the questions have landed up in court with the DWP losing.
BIS
I don't want to argue about semantics - but this particular activity is about the problems a claimant would have navigating a route. So are there any problems; cognitive, sensory or mental health issues that would prevent a claimant from doing this and do they need any assistance?
Undoubtedly you are right there is often a disconnect between how a question is worded by the writers (DWP) and the meaning for the claimants and that is why a couple of the questions have landed up in court with the DWP losing.
BIS
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2 years 7 months ago #271111 by MrFibro
Replied by MrFibro on topic PIP Q13 - Going Out – 1f: 'Cannot follow the route of a familiar journey'
Hi Bis,
I cannot do this activity, due to severe social anxiety, and having to ask people directions of a route or how to be sign-posted, would cause me severe panic attacks, and subsequently cause me overwhelming psychological distress.
therefore i cannot do this alone, and even with someone else, i would still be totally stressed out, and in such a state of panic.
I also gave lots more examples of how this activity affects me.
That's what I've put down on my pip review, which incidentally was sent back and received by Coffey's crew last start of July.
And yes i had difficulty in understanding the descriptor/s for this activity, as it's ambiguous, and tricky.
Regards.
I cannot do this activity, due to severe social anxiety, and having to ask people directions of a route or how to be sign-posted, would cause me severe panic attacks, and subsequently cause me overwhelming psychological distress.
therefore i cannot do this alone, and even with someone else, i would still be totally stressed out, and in such a state of panic.
I also gave lots more examples of how this activity affects me.
That's what I've put down on my pip review, which incidentally was sent back and received by Coffey's crew last start of July.
And yes i had difficulty in understanding the descriptor/s for this activity, as it's ambiguous, and tricky.
Regards.
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