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2 years 7 months ago #271616 by freefee
hello again, i am in the process of having my 2016 pip award reviewed but i haven't sent the new form back yet, i have basically been on what is today know as pip since 2003, in my 2016 award i was awarded 8points on both the mobility and daily living awards, i am now 6 years older and a few years wiser, i actually understated what my problems were in 2016, my problems were far worse than i actually put down on the application, may be a silly question but is it too late to appeal that decision, i am guessing it will be, i am now a little more aware of how to state what my physical and mental health problems, i honestly believe i should have got 12 points easily, and i will tell the full story on the review i am currently filling in, and let's say i am awarded 8 points again on each component this time, should i appeal, i think the reason they didn't get the full story in 2016 was i was less aware of how the points scoring system works, the application was so damn long, i left things out because of fatigue, it took me weeks, i had to keep leaving it and going back to it, and also i was also embarrassed about how little i could do and how much help i needed, i also found it an emotionally draining to explainmy health, it actually made me cry at times, putting down on paper the lack of control i have on my life and the amount of care and supervision i needed, i need to be brutally honest this time, and accept i am still a man even if my health is deteriorating year in year out, anyone ever experienced this, it can't only be me please?
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2 years 7 months ago #271618 by peter
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Hi freefee

You certainly are not alone. My partner found expressing her disability just as upsetting, embarrassing and humiliating. The whole process is awful but you are right; you must be brutally honest. Always make your answers reflect your worst days. Don’t think or say you have good days only ones that are less bad.

Unfortunately I think you are much too late to appeal the 2016 decision.

It may help you if you could find someone to ask you the questions and query your answers but who has no emotional ties with you. This helped my partner to take a matter of fact approach to the answers and reduced the stress of answering.

Good luck with your submission

Regards
Pete

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2 years 7 months ago #271619 by freefee
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one instance i believe i should have got 10 points on with the answer i gave in 2016, you could argue allowing for my reluctance to totally reveal how much help i needed i should have got 8 points easily with the answer i gave in 2016, just for the one question, i was awarded 4 points, i believe even with the answers i gave i should of easily got the 12 points required in the mobility award, i maybe thought if i appealed i would risk losing the award entirely, i think they thought give him the standard rate and he will be happy with that, which i guess happened, i will not be making the same mistake this time

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2 years 7 months ago #271620 by BIS
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Hi Freefee

You are no less of a person than anyone else because you struggle with caring for yourself and need assistance. There are thousands of people who feel the same way you do. Try not to be embarrassed about what you need to write. Remember the people reading it do not know you personally. You need to show how your medical condition and difficulties impact on your daily life and/or your mobility. Do consult our guides on how to complete the form, especially if your struggling with fatigue in how to answer the questions.

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2 years 7 months ago #271625 by LL26
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Hi freefee,
As per the other answers, I'm afraid PIP claims are somewhat brutal. I suspect that your parents perpetually drummed it into you, to look tidy, and put on neat clothes when going out, and to not use bad language etc. PIP is the opposite of anything and everything you have always been taught. We are told to put on a brave face, and try and be our best. (Not helped because Brits are terribly bad at doing emotion at the best of times.)
Then comes along the PIP form. Suddenly we are confronted with our own disability - there it is in stark black and white. So not only are we now having to portray our worst self with all the disabilities, and potentially embarrassing things, it also makes us think who we really are. When you are disabled, whether this is in a mild or greater way, there are 2 options - try and get on with life as best as possible, because the other option is to sit around and do nothing. Even if you can't manage the activity, at least if you try you have a sense of pride and some sense of achievement. Disabled people sort of manage, they kinda bumble along, taking their time, and even a half done task is better than the alternative. And this is where the PIP process becomes difficult. Ignoring the way the scheme is administered by DWP and the failings that they seem to have from time to time; the PIP claimant has to show disability in order to score points/gain benefit. However, you have always been told to be your best self, so admitting your disability is difficult, and of course in your mind you think you manage, and this stance won't score points.
I have spoken to so many claimants who when asked can you do X, simply nod excitedly and say 'of course'. (And if you stop there that won't give any points!) I have to do a bit more investigation. I am usually aware that the claimant has a list of medical conditions, and has already handed me a prescription list almost as long as my arm. I am not convinced they can manage.
So I then say 'well how do you do X'? There usually follows a small silence, and then a convoluted explanation involving precarious balancing, peculiar twisting, awkward bending and all manner of other unsafe practices etc etc. It is at this point I then politely but firmly say. 'No I'm afraid you can't do X,' adding 'at least for PIP purposes, anyway'.
But this is the important thing. As I described earlier in this post, most people do manage to complete PIP activities, but it is in their own unique way. Remember that DWP need to know about that unique way because it is this that will give you points. The slowness, the lack of safety, the fatigue that means you can't do the activity more than once per day etc is how you gain PIP. It is confronting, and everyone realises this. You can still be your best self, and once the PIP form is complete focus on the things you can do, however small in the great scheme of things, and try and do whatever these are as best you can.
I hope this makes sense and offers some comfort.

LL26

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