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2 years 3 months ago #274383 by brena
I thought the old PIP form had a ‘It varies’ option but this renewal form doesn’t. For the moving around activity, it just gives a list of distances to choose from ranging from ‘Less than 20 meters’ to ‘200m or more’.

I have days when I could walk for miles (I’ll be dizzy and stagger/fall sometimes but I can still do it) and other days when I cannot even stand up. What box should I tick?

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2 years 3 months ago #274387 by LL26
Replied by LL26 on topic PIP - what box to tick when it varies?
Hi brena,
You need to be careful here! If you put you can walk for miles you won't get any points for walking mobility. (That said if you truly can go miles for the majority of time you shouldn't get points for walking mobility.)
The 'walking test' is not all about maximum distance. What I call the 'duracell test' - remember the tv adverts where the duracell toy goes on forever, and the other toys don't.
Think about these 4 criteria-
safety
reasonable time
repetition
acceptable standard

Safety - do you fall, (or stagger as this is realistically a fall that you can stop.)? Where/why do you fall - can you get up afterwards- how long after - have you injured yourself - how severe - hospital?

Reasonable time - no longer than twice the time of a non disabled person - do you need pauses/sit down or rest against a wall - why? If the pause is quite long you won't be within the reasonable time. If very long this will indicate a shorter walking ability comprising 2 or more walks interspersed with breaks.

Repetition - if you walked earlier in the day can you walk again - if you are exhausted and can't walk (or indeed do other PIP activities such as cooking/dressing etc) then it is likely you can't repeat. You need to be able to repeat as many times as reasonably required across the whole day. Remember that even if you go out in the car, there will be a walk to the car from the front door and to the shop etc even if you park immediately outside. So, you do the school run, come home, need to go to the bank, stop off at the shop en route home. Collect child from school. Later remember you need to post a letter. Evening go out to visit friends. All these journeys/walks would not be unreasonable - could you perform these solely as walking. (Unless you are exceedingly close to all of these then it is likely you can 'repeat'.) Or if these are car/bus journeys and the walking is only from the car parked nearby - could you do all of these? What would be the distance where you would be able to walk having parked the car to complete these? - this might indicate you could repeat 50m but not 100m etc.
If you fail to be able to achieve all the repetitions as reasonably required, as long as it is not something somewhat trivial, you can not 'repeat'.

Acceptable standard - pain is included here. How do you walk? If you fall or stagger as well as being 'unsafe' it could indicate not acceptable standard. Do you bump into things? What about 'severe discomfort' - includes pain, but also breathlessness, nausea, dizziness. Possibly also fatigue.

Can you meet all 4 of these criteria - if you fail even one then you may be able to achieve points.
You need to consider the majority of time - so think about better days/bad days - what sort of proportions are these? Note majority of time - don't get confused with majority of days.

Your PIP walking ability (not the duracell one!) is how far you can walk safely, acceptably, repeatedly in a timely manner for the majority of the time.
Is there a place you regularly go to - either solely by foot or with a vehicle as well? How far is it? Maybe get a friend to pace it out? If you get out of breath/pain etc where along the walk does it start? This might help you narrow down the distance.

Any walking done with severe discomfort needs to be discounted, so if the pain etc is to that level at the very start of any walk it won't count. If you start with severe discomfort - then PIP/'legal' walking ability is 0m, even though your duracell walk is several hundred metres!
Please consider your PIP walking ability carefully!
I hope this helps.

LL26

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