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2 years 2 months ago #275174 by Vicky
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Hi,
I am filling in a MR for my partner, she is diagnosed with Bipolar and Anxiety stress disorder. And filled out a change of circumstances form herself which resulted in her getting 0 points for this section.
Basically she is not safe to go outside alone she suffered a violent sexual assault in her teens and cannot handle any social interactions with strangers especially men even if they are just saying Hi and being polite it can trigger a panic attack which has also made her attempt to take her own life in that moment of the panic attack just to try and make it go away. She cannot do the school run for the kids I do it daily, she will only go outside with myself or other trusted members of her family and panics on public transport if by herself especially if it doesn't go to plan such as delays or cancellations. I drive her to all her appointments and family visits.
I am her carer and I am filling out the MR, my question is are my words enough for the section as her carer or do I need written evidence from a health worker, we recently moved area from Manchester to Cheshire she has a whole new GP and mental health team who don't really know her so how would I go about getting any form of evidence.
When she was initially diagnosed with her conditions she told all of this information in her assessment but I am not sure how to get evidence of this now.
Thanks for any responses to this means alot.
I am filling in a MR for my partner, she is diagnosed with Bipolar and Anxiety stress disorder. And filled out a change of circumstances form herself which resulted in her getting 0 points for this section.
Basically she is not safe to go outside alone she suffered a violent sexual assault in her teens and cannot handle any social interactions with strangers especially men even if they are just saying Hi and being polite it can trigger a panic attack which has also made her attempt to take her own life in that moment of the panic attack just to try and make it go away. She cannot do the school run for the kids I do it daily, she will only go outside with myself or other trusted members of her family and panics on public transport if by herself especially if it doesn't go to plan such as delays or cancellations. I drive her to all her appointments and family visits.
I am her carer and I am filling out the MR, my question is are my words enough for the section as her carer or do I need written evidence from a health worker, we recently moved area from Manchester to Cheshire she has a whole new GP and mental health team who don't really know her so how would I go about getting any form of evidence.
When she was initially diagnosed with her conditions she told all of this information in her assessment but I am not sure how to get evidence of this now.
Thanks for any responses to this means alot.
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2 years 2 months ago #275175 by LL26
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Hi Vicky F,
You probably have some medical evidence like the initial diagnosis, and maybe you can obtain GP notes from the GP? If this is all you can get or have then don't worry.
You have a choice when filling out the form - you could do it, you both do it, or just partner. If you do the form then unless you are an appointee or have some sort of power of attorney, your partner will need to confirm and sign the form. If your partner is able you could sit down and compose the form together.
It is really important to be absolutely blunt about the disabilities. This is difficult, because you need to fully explain what partner can't cant do, and why, and what goes wrong when she tries. For some people this requires a lot of soul searching - it is a negative process; some people who are disabled genuinely believe they can manage to do various (PIP) activities, well they kind of do, in a haphazard sort of way. Or, alternatively other people genuinely do not realise there full limitations. Some of course are brutally aware of what they can/can't do. If your partner is not fully aware then you will have to write the form, explaining what she can not do, even if this seems unkind. I'm afraid that is how the system happens.
AS with all PIP descriptors think about how your partner does each activity. Can she complete it at all, if so, is she safe, is it done in an acceptable manner, reasonable time, able to be repeated across the who9le day as many times as reasonably required. (Note - different activities will have different levels of repetition.)
In particular reference to Mobility 1.
Consider whether partner gets 'overwhelming psychological distress'. (OPD) severe panic attacks might be sufficient to prove this.
If your partner can go out with you, and that is sufficient to alleviate or prevent a panic attack then consider either 1d or 1f depending whether this applies to familiar or unfamiliar journeys.
You can explain as per your post (perhaps giving more details - what happens, how does she 'panic', how long afterwards does she take to calm down. What do you need to do help? Have there been any occasions where partner has gone out alone - maybe she missed a vital appointment, maybe she was so ill she needed medical treatment - what happened, describe in all detail.
If, as seems likely, that either 1d or 1f applies, you don't need to show OPD but this can be used to show that you need to be accompanied. Panic attacks even if not so severe to comprise OPD will certainly show that an non-acceptable standard has been reached.
Presumably the panic etc happens all the time? If there are better days, you would need to show what happens for the 'majority of days'. The 4 criteria of being reasonable time, acceptable standard, repetition and being safe - all must apply. Safety means where there is no substantial risk to the claimant's or another's health - which could be mental or physical.) Explain the safety concerns, (or indeed why partner cant repeat, be in time etc)
Regulation 7 requires the highest points value to be given. Mobility 1 (unlike several other descriptors is sequential - think eg dressing - there are various points for different parts of the body you can't dress.) However, if you can't you out without being accompanied on a unfamiliar journey as well as a familiar one, then 1f has to apply.
Even if an occasional moderately successful solo journey is made once or twice every so often, this won't be for the majority of days so you don't need to worry.
Similarly bear in mind that you have to repeat across the whole day, so if perhaps going out in the morning is doable but afternoon isn't, since it is not unreasonable for someone to go out more than once per day, if you can't do the later going out/s you can't 'repeat' hence that days counts towards the majority of days when you can't do the activity.
The 4 criteria apply to all descriptors.
I hope this helps.
LL26
You probably have some medical evidence like the initial diagnosis, and maybe you can obtain GP notes from the GP? If this is all you can get or have then don't worry.
You have a choice when filling out the form - you could do it, you both do it, or just partner. If you do the form then unless you are an appointee or have some sort of power of attorney, your partner will need to confirm and sign the form. If your partner is able you could sit down and compose the form together.
It is really important to be absolutely blunt about the disabilities. This is difficult, because you need to fully explain what partner can't cant do, and why, and what goes wrong when she tries. For some people this requires a lot of soul searching - it is a negative process; some people who are disabled genuinely believe they can manage to do various (PIP) activities, well they kind of do, in a haphazard sort of way. Or, alternatively other people genuinely do not realise there full limitations. Some of course are brutally aware of what they can/can't do. If your partner is not fully aware then you will have to write the form, explaining what she can not do, even if this seems unkind. I'm afraid that is how the system happens.
AS with all PIP descriptors think about how your partner does each activity. Can she complete it at all, if so, is she safe, is it done in an acceptable manner, reasonable time, able to be repeated across the who9le day as many times as reasonably required. (Note - different activities will have different levels of repetition.)
In particular reference to Mobility 1.
Consider whether partner gets 'overwhelming psychological distress'. (OPD) severe panic attacks might be sufficient to prove this.
If your partner can go out with you, and that is sufficient to alleviate or prevent a panic attack then consider either 1d or 1f depending whether this applies to familiar or unfamiliar journeys.
You can explain as per your post (perhaps giving more details - what happens, how does she 'panic', how long afterwards does she take to calm down. What do you need to do help? Have there been any occasions where partner has gone out alone - maybe she missed a vital appointment, maybe she was so ill she needed medical treatment - what happened, describe in all detail.
If, as seems likely, that either 1d or 1f applies, you don't need to show OPD but this can be used to show that you need to be accompanied. Panic attacks even if not so severe to comprise OPD will certainly show that an non-acceptable standard has been reached.
Presumably the panic etc happens all the time? If there are better days, you would need to show what happens for the 'majority of days'. The 4 criteria of being reasonable time, acceptable standard, repetition and being safe - all must apply. Safety means where there is no substantial risk to the claimant's or another's health - which could be mental or physical.) Explain the safety concerns, (or indeed why partner cant repeat, be in time etc)
Regulation 7 requires the highest points value to be given. Mobility 1 (unlike several other descriptors is sequential - think eg dressing - there are various points for different parts of the body you can't dress.) However, if you can't you out without being accompanied on a unfamiliar journey as well as a familiar one, then 1f has to apply.
Even if an occasional moderately successful solo journey is made once or twice every so often, this won't be for the majority of days so you don't need to worry.
Similarly bear in mind that you have to repeat across the whole day, so if perhaps going out in the morning is doable but afternoon isn't, since it is not unreasonable for someone to go out more than once per day, if you can't do the later going out/s you can't 'repeat' hence that days counts towards the majority of days when you can't do the activity.
The 4 criteria apply to all descriptors.
I hope this helps.
LL26
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