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2 years 2 months ago #275247 by MuttonJeff
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Just had my UC application phone call to confirm my ID (agreed instead of face to face)
Now I have a "First Commitment Appointment" again booked by phone but may need to attend at the centre.
Sorry I can't find what's included in the First Commitment ? All my journal says is to prepare for it but nothing about what to prepare!!
I've entered my 3 month FIT note dates, they don't want it uploaded so have no idea why I'm unfit to work, and I believe I should be in the category not expected to look for work.
The Government websites says that you send in medical evidence and fill in a questionnaire and that- "You’ll then be told if you need an appointment for a Work Capability Assessment. This is to see how much your illness or disability affects your ability to work." - so will the first appointment decide whether to send me the forms to complete ? It sounds more like work commitments but they don't yet have any info on my problems.
I have asked Psychological services whether they can give me a letter about my MH and how stress of medical assessments will make me worse.
I have't worked 6 years and drew down a private pension at 55 because I had ESA taken away after an appalling assessment, their report even referred to me as "he" and I'm a woman! I was too ill to challenge it, they ignored my depression and anxiety diagnosis at the time , however now, aged 60 I've been diagnosed with both ADHD and ASD therefore explaining my MH struggles after traumatic life events.
Sorry if this info is elsewhere I couldn't find anything, and the whole application with doing PIP as well is exhausting, feeling confused! TIA
Now I have a "First Commitment Appointment" again booked by phone but may need to attend at the centre.
Sorry I can't find what's included in the First Commitment ? All my journal says is to prepare for it but nothing about what to prepare!!
I've entered my 3 month FIT note dates, they don't want it uploaded so have no idea why I'm unfit to work, and I believe I should be in the category not expected to look for work.
The Government websites says that you send in medical evidence and fill in a questionnaire and that- "You’ll then be told if you need an appointment for a Work Capability Assessment. This is to see how much your illness or disability affects your ability to work." - so will the first appointment decide whether to send me the forms to complete ? It sounds more like work commitments but they don't yet have any info on my problems.
I have asked Psychological services whether they can give me a letter about my MH and how stress of medical assessments will make me worse.
I have't worked 6 years and drew down a private pension at 55 because I had ESA taken away after an appalling assessment, their report even referred to me as "he" and I'm a woman! I was too ill to challenge it, they ignored my depression and anxiety diagnosis at the time , however now, aged 60 I've been diagnosed with both ADHD and ASD therefore explaining my MH struggles after traumatic life events.
Sorry if this info is elsewhere I couldn't find anything, and the whole application with doing PIP as well is exhausting, feeling confused! TIA
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Hi MuttonJeff
You do need to read our guides on WCA in the ESA/UC tab at the top, I would advise you to seek assistance from your local Welfare Rights Organisation; advicelocal.uk
The conditions for claiming Universal Credit are set out in a "claimant commitment" that most people will have to accept at the beginning of their claim. If you are part of a couple, you will each have a separate claimant commitment that may be different from each other's.
People who may not need to accept a commitment include those who lack capacity, those who have exceptional circumstances where it would be unreasonable to expect them to agree a commitment (this is decided by the work coach on a case by case basis), or, from 15 February 2022 they have a terminal illness and have less than 6 months to live. There are 4 conditionality groups:
* Group 1. No work related requirements
* Group 2. Work-focused interview requirement
* Group 3. Work preparation requirement
* Group 4. All work-related requirements
www.entitledto.co.uk/help/Claimant-commitment-Universal-Credit
Group 1. No work related requirements
* People who have a limited capability for work related activity because of health or disability (the equivalent in Universal Credit of the support group for ESA)
* Lone parents with a child under one
* The lead carer of a child in couple with a child under one (the other member of the couple will be placed into their own group)
* Adopters who have had a child placed with them within the last 12 months (you can ask that the 12 months begin up to 14 days before the placement)
* Foster carers responsible for a child aged under one
* Carers with regular and substantial caring responsibilities, ie 35 hours or more a week, for a severely disabled person
* Those who are earning above their individual earnings threshold (which will be if your gross earnings exceed your appropriate national minimum/living wage rate times 35, or the number of hours agreed as appropriate for you). If you are self-employed and have the minimum income floor imposed you will treated as meeting your individual earnings threshold.
Group 2. Work-focused interview only requirement
* Lone parents whose youngest child is aged 1
* The lead carer in a couple whose youngest child is aged 1. The other member of the couple will also be placed in to their own group.
* Foster carer responsible for a child aged 1 (or over 1 in some cases if the child has care needs)
* Foster carer who has been in this group within the last 8 weeks, is not currently caring for a child but intends to again
* Became a friend or family carer within the last 12 months
This group will be expected to attend periodic interviews to discuss their plans for returning to the labour market. A sanction may be applied to your UC award if you fail to attend an interview. This sanction may be imposed for a period until you meet the compliance condition that you failed, or for up to 26 weeks.
Group 3. Work preparation requirement
* Those who because of health or disability have a limited capacity for work, ie the equivalent of the work related group for ESA
* Lone parents whose youngest child is aged 2
* The lead carer in a couple whose youngest child is aged 2. The other member of the couple will be placed in to their own group.
This group will be expected to take reasonable steps to prepare for work, such as attending a skills assessment, preparing a CV, participating in training or an employment programme, and undertaking work experience or a work placement. A sanction may be applied to your Universal Credit award if you fail to undertake work-related activity. This sanction may be imposed for a period until you meet the compliance condition that you failed, or for up to 26 weeks.
Group 4. All work-related requirements
Anyone not mentioned above is included in this group.
This group will be subject to a work search requirement and work availability requirement, as they would under Jobseeker's Allowance.
Personal advisers will be able to order "Mandatory Work Activity" - a full-time work placement for four weeks. A severe sanction can be imposed if this is not attended without good cause.
A higher level sanction may be applied to the Universal Credit award for failure (with no good reason) to comply with the requirement to prepare or apply for work; take up an offer of paid work; or ceasing work voluntarily or through misconduct. This sanction could result in a reduction of your Universal Credit award, for up to a maximum of 26 weeks (this timeframe dropped to 26 weeks from 3 years for new and existing sanctions from 27 November 2019), depending on the number and regularity of such failures.
The expectation is that when in work people in this group will earn at least the equivalent of 35 hours at National Minimum/Living Wage. This is known as the 'individual earnings threshold'. So if you earn the minimum wage then you will be expected to work for at least 35 hours a week. But note that if you earn above minimum wage you could be lifted above your earnings threshold but work less than 35 hours - the threshold is measured in terms of earnings not hours
Gary
You do need to read our guides on WCA in the ESA/UC tab at the top, I would advise you to seek assistance from your local Welfare Rights Organisation; advicelocal.uk
The conditions for claiming Universal Credit are set out in a "claimant commitment" that most people will have to accept at the beginning of their claim. If you are part of a couple, you will each have a separate claimant commitment that may be different from each other's.
People who may not need to accept a commitment include those who lack capacity, those who have exceptional circumstances where it would be unreasonable to expect them to agree a commitment (this is decided by the work coach on a case by case basis), or, from 15 February 2022 they have a terminal illness and have less than 6 months to live. There are 4 conditionality groups:
* Group 1. No work related requirements
* Group 2. Work-focused interview requirement
* Group 3. Work preparation requirement
* Group 4. All work-related requirements
www.entitledto.co.uk/help/Claimant-commitment-Universal-Credit
Group 1. No work related requirements
* People who have a limited capability for work related activity because of health or disability (the equivalent in Universal Credit of the support group for ESA)
* Lone parents with a child under one
* The lead carer of a child in couple with a child under one (the other member of the couple will be placed into their own group)
* Adopters who have had a child placed with them within the last 12 months (you can ask that the 12 months begin up to 14 days before the placement)
* Foster carers responsible for a child aged under one
* Carers with regular and substantial caring responsibilities, ie 35 hours or more a week, for a severely disabled person
* Those who are earning above their individual earnings threshold (which will be if your gross earnings exceed your appropriate national minimum/living wage rate times 35, or the number of hours agreed as appropriate for you). If you are self-employed and have the minimum income floor imposed you will treated as meeting your individual earnings threshold.
Group 2. Work-focused interview only requirement
* Lone parents whose youngest child is aged 1
* The lead carer in a couple whose youngest child is aged 1. The other member of the couple will also be placed in to their own group.
* Foster carer responsible for a child aged 1 (or over 1 in some cases if the child has care needs)
* Foster carer who has been in this group within the last 8 weeks, is not currently caring for a child but intends to again
* Became a friend or family carer within the last 12 months
This group will be expected to attend periodic interviews to discuss their plans for returning to the labour market. A sanction may be applied to your UC award if you fail to attend an interview. This sanction may be imposed for a period until you meet the compliance condition that you failed, or for up to 26 weeks.
Group 3. Work preparation requirement
* Those who because of health or disability have a limited capacity for work, ie the equivalent of the work related group for ESA
* Lone parents whose youngest child is aged 2
* The lead carer in a couple whose youngest child is aged 2. The other member of the couple will be placed in to their own group.
This group will be expected to take reasonable steps to prepare for work, such as attending a skills assessment, preparing a CV, participating in training or an employment programme, and undertaking work experience or a work placement. A sanction may be applied to your Universal Credit award if you fail to undertake work-related activity. This sanction may be imposed for a period until you meet the compliance condition that you failed, or for up to 26 weeks.
Group 4. All work-related requirements
Anyone not mentioned above is included in this group.
This group will be subject to a work search requirement and work availability requirement, as they would under Jobseeker's Allowance.
Personal advisers will be able to order "Mandatory Work Activity" - a full-time work placement for four weeks. A severe sanction can be imposed if this is not attended without good cause.
A higher level sanction may be applied to the Universal Credit award for failure (with no good reason) to comply with the requirement to prepare or apply for work; take up an offer of paid work; or ceasing work voluntarily or through misconduct. This sanction could result in a reduction of your Universal Credit award, for up to a maximum of 26 weeks (this timeframe dropped to 26 weeks from 3 years for new and existing sanctions from 27 November 2019), depending on the number and regularity of such failures.
The expectation is that when in work people in this group will earn at least the equivalent of 35 hours at National Minimum/Living Wage. This is known as the 'individual earnings threshold'. So if you earn the minimum wage then you will be expected to work for at least 35 hours a week. But note that if you earn above minimum wage you could be lifted above your earnings threshold but work less than 35 hours - the threshold is measured in terms of earnings not hours
Gary
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2 years 2 months ago #275280 by MuttonJeff
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Thanks for the Information Gary,
I'd downloaded the ESA combined guide Sept 22 version already, however I'm confused because from the start for UC it refers to completing the UC50 which I understand is a health declaration.
My question is that as I have a FIT note for 3 months should I have been sent a UC50 to complete become any commitment assessment? Or is this only sent after a First Commitment Appointment if they believe you may go into either of the two none working groups?
I can't prepare for my first appointment not knowing what they're going to ask me on the day, the guide assumes you're completing the UC50, or is there another guide on first commitment questions? They only did my ID check on the first call.
I have a 15 minutes Team call booked with the local disability charity, but that was to ask about my PIP application.
Thanks Again.
I'd downloaded the ESA combined guide Sept 22 version already, however I'm confused because from the start for UC it refers to completing the UC50 which I understand is a health declaration.
My question is that as I have a FIT note for 3 months should I have been sent a UC50 to complete become any commitment assessment? Or is this only sent after a First Commitment Appointment if they believe you may go into either of the two none working groups?
I can't prepare for my first appointment not knowing what they're going to ask me on the day, the guide assumes you're completing the UC50, or is there another guide on first commitment questions? They only did my ID check on the first call.
I have a 15 minutes Team call booked with the local disability charity, but that was to ask about my PIP application.
Thanks Again.
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Sorry if you get this twice!
Thanks for the info'
I'd downloaded the "ESA combined Sept 22" guide is this the correct one? It's really helpful for filling out the UC50 health declaration but that's my question, I haven't received one, despite putting my 3 month FIT note on record.
So does the First Commitment interview decide whether to send the UC50 based on what questions the Work Coach asks me, leaving it them to make that decision, or did I need to request the UC50?
I still don't know what to expect during this first call so can't prepare. Obviously I want to avoid having to commit to something I shouldn't be asked to do because they haven't read any of my medical reports. They don't even ask for FIT notes to be uploaded so don't know why I'm signed off. Thanks
Thanks for the info'
I'd downloaded the "ESA combined Sept 22" guide is this the correct one? It's really helpful for filling out the UC50 health declaration but that's my question, I haven't received one, despite putting my 3 month FIT note on record.
So does the First Commitment interview decide whether to send the UC50 based on what questions the Work Coach asks me, leaving it them to make that decision, or did I need to request the UC50?
I still don't know what to expect during this first call so can't prepare. Obviously I want to avoid having to commit to something I shouldn't be asked to do because they haven't read any of my medical reports. They don't even ask for FIT notes to be uploaded so don't know why I'm signed off. Thanks
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2 years 2 months ago #275325 by Gary
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Replied by Gary on topic New UC claim -What's First Commitment appt? Disability info
Hi MuttonJeff
The UC50 form should be sent to you once your workcoach has received your fit note and your UC is in payment.
I frequently come across claimants many months after they have handed in their fit note, I advise them to keep requesting on their journal a UC50 form, I have come across claimants waiting over a year for a form.
In the first 3 months of handing in your fit note, you are in the assessment period, so if you are successful your claim will be backdated to the 14th week.
Gary
The UC50 form should be sent to you once your workcoach has received your fit note and your UC is in payment.
I frequently come across claimants many months after they have handed in their fit note, I advise them to keep requesting on their journal a UC50 form, I have come across claimants waiting over a year for a form.
In the first 3 months of handing in your fit note, you are in the assessment period, so if you are successful your claim will be backdated to the 14th week.
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Hi MuttonJeff
The first interview with your workcoach is to decide which conditionality group to place you in;
There are 4 conditionality groups:
* Group 1. No work related requirements
* Group 2. Work-focused interview requirement
* Group 3. Work preparation requirement
* Group 4. All work-related requirements
The problem with a claimant commitment, if you do not sign a claimant commitment then your UC claim will not be approved.
The UC50 is not based on the interview with your workcoach but is based on when you hand in a fit note as your fit note is the start of the assessment phase.
I advised claimants when they have a face to face with their workcoach to hand in their fit note but also make a record on their journal that they have given their workcoach their fit note, this will help you if you have issues late on.
Gary
The first interview with your workcoach is to decide which conditionality group to place you in;
There are 4 conditionality groups:
* Group 1. No work related requirements
* Group 2. Work-focused interview requirement
* Group 3. Work preparation requirement
* Group 4. All work-related requirements
The problem with a claimant commitment, if you do not sign a claimant commitment then your UC claim will not be approved.
The UC50 is not based on the interview with your workcoach but is based on when you hand in a fit note as your fit note is the start of the assessment phase.
I advised claimants when they have a face to face with their workcoach to hand in their fit note but also make a record on their journal that they have given their workcoach their fit note, this will help you if you have issues late on.
Gary
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