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2 years 1 month ago #275500 by lauren
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Hi, I was recently awarded standard in both components at tribunal. I was happy with it at the time but now the same symptoms I had at the tribunal have now worsened and I have been given 'new' medication.
I am wondering what to do.
Should I carry on as I am,
Put in a change of circumstances (the problem with that is that they might say I had those same symptoms in the original tribunal. I did but now they have worsened).
Shall I just wait until a new review form comes through?
I understand you can't tell me what to do. I suppose I am wondering whether my payments will stop if I put in a change of circumstance form at this point in time, as I have already been to the tribunal.
Thanks
Lauren
I am wondering what to do.
Should I carry on as I am,
Put in a change of circumstances (the problem with that is that they might say I had those same symptoms in the original tribunal. I did but now they have worsened).
Shall I just wait until a new review form comes through?
I understand you can't tell me what to do. I suppose I am wondering whether my payments will stop if I put in a change of circumstance form at this point in time, as I have already been to the tribunal.
Thanks
Lauren
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2 years 1 month ago #275508 by LL26
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Hi lauren,
It doesn't matter what symptoms you have, it is the loss of function in respect of PIP activities that is crucial. So for example a sore leg could mean you could walk 200m, or it might reduce to 100 or even 20m, same problem, but differing points each time!
First of all think about whether you will achieve a higher amount of benefit. If you already get eg 2 points for help with lower half clothing - so before you needed help with socks and shoes, but now need help with trousers and underwear, yes you are more disabled, need more help, and maybe the pain and/or mobility is worse, but you won't get any more points. However, supposing you now need help with upper half clothing as well. This is 4 points 6e. But even if DWP accept this, you will only gain an extra 2 points. (DWP have to award the highest score from each descriptor section - so the 2 you already had from 6d gets taken away and is replaced by 4 for 6d - it is only an additional 2 points. That might well be enough if you already have 10 points, but if you don't and there are no more 'extra' points you can't possibly achieve enhanced rate so there is no point trying.
Similarly even though walking might be slower, more painful etc - your walking ability may be less but still may not be worse enough to fall within a higher points value.
So...even if you genuinely can score enough more points to allow an enhanced award, if you can manage without the money, then think hard before asking for a change of circumstances review. This might lead to DWP awarding less points than before and you might lose what you have. (This may not happen, but it has to be factored in as a possibility.) Or, DWP just award the current award, and you might have to appeal again which is additional hassle, especially since you have recently been to the tribunal.
On the other hand, if you have a good case and strong evidence you could consider asking for the review, and enhanced rate could be awarded.
Unless DWP revise the decision, ie reduce the award, the tribunal award should continue to be paid. If DWP did reduce the current award then you could appeal this - and DWP would have to provide good reasons - they would have to show that your condition had actually improved hence the reduction in points/benefit. Whilst I suspect this would be difficult for them, that doesn't mean that that it couldn't happen.
Just think carefully about the next steps.
I hope this helps.
LL26
It doesn't matter what symptoms you have, it is the loss of function in respect of PIP activities that is crucial. So for example a sore leg could mean you could walk 200m, or it might reduce to 100 or even 20m, same problem, but differing points each time!
First of all think about whether you will achieve a higher amount of benefit. If you already get eg 2 points for help with lower half clothing - so before you needed help with socks and shoes, but now need help with trousers and underwear, yes you are more disabled, need more help, and maybe the pain and/or mobility is worse, but you won't get any more points. However, supposing you now need help with upper half clothing as well. This is 4 points 6e. But even if DWP accept this, you will only gain an extra 2 points. (DWP have to award the highest score from each descriptor section - so the 2 you already had from 6d gets taken away and is replaced by 4 for 6d - it is only an additional 2 points. That might well be enough if you already have 10 points, but if you don't and there are no more 'extra' points you can't possibly achieve enhanced rate so there is no point trying.
Similarly even though walking might be slower, more painful etc - your walking ability may be less but still may not be worse enough to fall within a higher points value.
So...even if you genuinely can score enough more points to allow an enhanced award, if you can manage without the money, then think hard before asking for a change of circumstances review. This might lead to DWP awarding less points than before and you might lose what you have. (This may not happen, but it has to be factored in as a possibility.) Or, DWP just award the current award, and you might have to appeal again which is additional hassle, especially since you have recently been to the tribunal.
On the other hand, if you have a good case and strong evidence you could consider asking for the review, and enhanced rate could be awarded.
Unless DWP revise the decision, ie reduce the award, the tribunal award should continue to be paid. If DWP did reduce the current award then you could appeal this - and DWP would have to provide good reasons - they would have to show that your condition had actually improved hence the reduction in points/benefit. Whilst I suspect this would be difficult for them, that doesn't mean that that it couldn't happen.
Just think carefully about the next steps.
I hope this helps.
LL26
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2 years 1 month ago #275528 by lauren
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Thank you. I will think about it carefully.My feeling is I will just wait for the next review.
Thanks again x
Thanks again x
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2 years 1 month ago #275538 by SUE C C
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Hello Lauren
When you say "Recently Awarded" how recent is recent and how long is your award for? Have the DWP given you a date, or indicated in your decision letter when they might contact you again "To see if your needs have changed and to look at the amount you get"?
As LL26 advises, you need to think carefully about your next step, but if the DWP have given you a date some years in the future and as you have indicated your condition has deteriorated, is potentially waiting years an option for you? Do bear in mind that although you may have a date in your decision letter, mine is "After June 2030" the DWP may well still contact you while you are getting PIP, so before the date indicated.
Just something else to consider Lauren.
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When you say "Recently Awarded" how recent is recent and how long is your award for? Have the DWP given you a date, or indicated in your decision letter when they might contact you again "To see if your needs have changed and to look at the amount you get"?
As LL26 advises, you need to think carefully about your next step, but if the DWP have given you a date some years in the future and as you have indicated your condition has deteriorated, is potentially waiting years an option for you? Do bear in mind that although you may have a date in your decision letter, mine is "After June 2030" the DWP may well still contact you while you are getting PIP, so before the date indicated.
Just something else to consider Lauren.
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2 years 1 month ago #275785 by lauren
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Hi, the award is not for very long(I don't want to say the exact length for obvious reasons).Additionally I will presumably being passed over to the ADL payments due to my location.I think I'm hoping they might assess me when my date comes around. With it not being too long in the future they might be able to back date payments??
So confused what to do. I rely on my payments and don't want to jeopardise them
So confused what to do. I rely on my payments and don't want to jeopardise them
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2 years 1 month ago #275793 by BIS
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Hi Lauren
No payments will be backdated unless you put in for a change of circumstances - and then they would be backdated if you were given a higher award back to the date you informed them of the change. If you put in for a change of circumstances - they will review you again.
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No payments will be backdated unless you put in for a change of circumstances - and then they would be backdated if you were given a higher award back to the date you informed them of the change. If you put in for a change of circumstances - they will review you again.
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