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1 year 11 months ago #277130 by Gary
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Hello, this is a complicated one and I'll try and explane it as best I can.
There is a family unit of the following
Husband
Wife
3 kids
The husband is on PIP, high rate mobility and care for 10 years, he scored points for most area but NOT for managing money.
The wife is his carer and has recently been diagnosed with bipolar and paranoid schizophrenia, she is the appointee for one of the 3 children who's over 16 and on PIP for sever autism and not being able to manage her own money, the wife would life to apply for PIP herself but us worried the fact she's an appointee is going to cause her and her child's claim an issue.
The child is mentally more like 8 so isn't able to manage day to day life, the husband and wife manage all this for her but the wife does have issues herself with money due to the bipolar.
Is there a way to navigate this?
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There is a family unit of the following
Husband
Wife
3 kids
The husband is on PIP, high rate mobility and care for 10 years, he scored points for most area but NOT for managing money.
The wife is his carer and has recently been diagnosed with bipolar and paranoid schizophrenia, she is the appointee for one of the 3 children who's over 16 and on PIP for sever autism and not being able to manage her own money, the wife would life to apply for PIP herself but us worried the fact she's an appointee is going to cause her and her child's claim an issue.
The child is mentally more like 8 so isn't able to manage day to day life, the husband and wife manage all this for her but the wife does have issues herself with money due to the bipolar.
Is there a way to navigate this?
Thank you
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1 year 11 months ago #277132 by Gary
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Hi Gary
Welcome to the forum.
You might want to have a look at the following FAQ which explains where everything is; www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/guides-for-claimants/faq/forum
Thank you for your post, although it seems complicated to you, believe it or not I do come across your situation quite frequently, remember When applying for PIP, it is not so much the condition per se that the DWP is interested in, but how that condition/s impacts a claimant's daily life and mobility as set out in the PIP criteria.
Two people can have identical conditions but be given different awards.
Our guide to PIP claims and reviews goes through each question highlighting important issues that you need to consider in your answers and giving some sample answers; benefitsandwork.co.uk/guides-for-claimants/pip , if your wife is not sure she will be eligible then use the PIP self-tester; PIP self test
PIP is not awarded because of the condition but rather the limitations that result and prevent a claimant from completing a range of everyday activities.
Read about the reliability element in the guide - if you cannot do something:
• Safely – in a fashion that is unlikely to cause harm to themselves or to another person.
• To a necessary and acceptable standard – given the nature of the activity.
• Repeatedly – as often as is reasonably required.
• In a reasonable time period – no more than twice as long as a person without a physical or mental health condition would take to carry out the activity.
then you should not be considered able to do the activity.
The fact that you can’t do the activity safely, to an acceptable standard, repeatedly or in a reasonable time, means you can’t do it at all for the purposes of the descriptors.
If you have any further questions, then please return to the forum.
Gary
Welcome to the forum.
You might want to have a look at the following FAQ which explains where everything is; www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/guides-for-claimants/faq/forum
Thank you for your post, although it seems complicated to you, believe it or not I do come across your situation quite frequently, remember When applying for PIP, it is not so much the condition per se that the DWP is interested in, but how that condition/s impacts a claimant's daily life and mobility as set out in the PIP criteria.
Two people can have identical conditions but be given different awards.
Our guide to PIP claims and reviews goes through each question highlighting important issues that you need to consider in your answers and giving some sample answers; benefitsandwork.co.uk/guides-for-claimants/pip , if your wife is not sure she will be eligible then use the PIP self-tester; PIP self test
PIP is not awarded because of the condition but rather the limitations that result and prevent a claimant from completing a range of everyday activities.
Read about the reliability element in the guide - if you cannot do something:
• Safely – in a fashion that is unlikely to cause harm to themselves or to another person.
• To a necessary and acceptable standard – given the nature of the activity.
• Repeatedly – as often as is reasonably required.
• In a reasonable time period – no more than twice as long as a person without a physical or mental health condition would take to carry out the activity.
then you should not be considered able to do the activity.
The fact that you can’t do the activity safely, to an acceptable standard, repeatedly or in a reasonable time, means you can’t do it at all for the purposes of the descriptors.
If you have any further questions, then please return to the forum.
Gary
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1 year 11 months ago #277134 by Gary
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Thank you for your reply.
I think the main concern here is the mum is rhw appointee for the child as she can't manage money due to her sever asd and learning disability.
So the mum is the apointtee to manage the child's money, but the truth is the dad/husband and family all manage the child's money, not just the mum this is because she has her own issues with money because if the bi-polar /paranoid schizophrenia
The worry is the dwp will say "how can you be an appointee managing this adult child's finances whwnw you have your own issues with money"
Does that make sense?
I think the main concern here is the mum is rhw appointee for the child as she can't manage money due to her sever asd and learning disability.
So the mum is the apointtee to manage the child's money, but the truth is the dad/husband and family all manage the child's money, not just the mum this is because she has her own issues with money because if the bi-polar /paranoid schizophrenia
The worry is the dwp will say "how can you be an appointee managing this adult child's finances whwnw you have your own issues with money"
Does that make sense?
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1 year 11 months ago #277136 by Gary
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Hi Gary
Yes it does make sense but as you have stated in your post 'truth is the dad/husband and family all manage the child's money'.
When you complete the PIP form just be open and honest for each question, if you have supporting evidence then send in the supporting documents, make sure they are not the originals as you will not get then back.
Try not to over think what the DWP may say, just be yourself when completing the application form.
Gary
Yes it does make sense but as you have stated in your post 'truth is the dad/husband and family all manage the child's money'.
When you complete the PIP form just be open and honest for each question, if you have supporting evidence then send in the supporting documents, make sure they are not the originals as you will not get then back.
Try not to over think what the DWP may say, just be yourself when completing the application form.
Gary
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1 year 11 months ago #277222 by Gary
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Thanks, one more quick question if I may?
So the mum is worried that if she phones up tomorrow (or whenever) abs days she wants to make a claim for pip based on her bipolar and paranoid schizophrenia diagnosis that the call handler will raise with her how she is capable of being an appointee? If this happens how's best to handle it?
She's worried that by claiming herself she puts her daughters claim in danger
So the mum is worried that if she phones up tomorrow (or whenever) abs days she wants to make a claim for pip based on her bipolar and paranoid schizophrenia diagnosis that the call handler will raise with her how she is capable of being an appointee? If this happens how's best to handle it?
She's worried that by claiming herself she puts her daughters claim in danger
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1 year 11 months ago #277234 by BIS
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Hi Gary
The call handler has no interest or knowledge of the claimant, and they won't even be asking if she is an appointee, and there will be no mention of it. Advice to wife is not to offer any information that is not asked. This is not advice to be deceitful, it's just that it is not relevant to start the process of applying. She can see the questions that she will be asked.
assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governm...3/pip-claim-form.pdf
What she can expect in the future - if she has an assessment - is that if she gets carers allowance for looking after her husband, they will ask her how she will continue to do that if she is unwell. There are many people who get PIP and carers allowance - she needs to be able to argue it in the right manner. I can't tell her what to say because it is about the individual circumstances and the care she has to offer.
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The call handler has no interest or knowledge of the claimant, and they won't even be asking if she is an appointee, and there will be no mention of it. Advice to wife is not to offer any information that is not asked. This is not advice to be deceitful, it's just that it is not relevant to start the process of applying. She can see the questions that she will be asked.
assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governm...3/pip-claim-form.pdf
What she can expect in the future - if she has an assessment - is that if she gets carers allowance for looking after her husband, they will ask her how she will continue to do that if she is unwell. There are many people who get PIP and carers allowance - she needs to be able to argue it in the right manner. I can't tell her what to say because it is about the individual circumstances and the care she has to offer.
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