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1 year 8 months ago #279408 by Walky332000
Hi folks. So my other half applied for this new Scottish benefit around 6 months ago. The form is very similar to PIP which i currently receive. My partner has hearing problems in both ears and requires 2 hearing aids. As most people with hearing issues probably know, there was a court case a while back that the DWP lost. It was in regards to claimants having to remove their hearing aids when bathing and that made it unsafe as they cannot hear a smoke alarm. Well my partner got 0 points for this. I get that the court case was in regards to PIP and not ADP but i still think its wrong. She got 6 points for the other questions so not getting those 2 points for that part has been the difference between getting it and not getting it. There are loads of other things we are gonna challenge but just wondering what folks opinions are on this?.

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1 year 8 months ago #279421 by Gary
Hi Walky332000

I do remember reading about it recently, found this on piping.net; pipinfo.net/activities/washing-and-bathing which you may want to quote if you go for a MR.

Case law
Commentary:​ In [2020] UKUT 252 (AAC), the Upper Tribunal found that, where a person has to remove their hearing aids in order to have a bath or shower and that means they cannot hear or identify a typical alarm, then they should score 2 points under this activity - either for needing an applicance such as a flashing light in the bathroom, or for supervision so that another person can ensure they are safe. Judge Perez also found that the assessment of risk was not subjective and that First-tier Tribunals should not be able to make different decisions in this respect. These conclusions are binding unlike those made in [2018] UKUT 251 (AAC) which suggested that First-tier Tribunals may come to different conclusions. In addition, in ADM Memo 9/21, published on 17 May 2021, the DWP advises that Judge Perez' findings in [2020] UKUT 252 (AAC) only apply from the date of the decision which is 21 August 2020, and that it is carrying out an administrative exercise to identify claimants whose entitlement to PIP is affected by the decision.

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1 year 8 months ago #279425 by Walky332000
Yeah i have read quite a bit about it. My question though is does it apply to this new benefit for us Scots called Adult Disability Payment?. All those court rulings were regarding PIP

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1 year 8 months ago #279434 by MrFibro
Hi Walky332000,

I would definitely challenge this after reading garys post on the case law.

I would had thought you would had scored those vital 2 points, even if you had to have someone / supervision / help with getting into or out of a bath or shower.

UK pip washing & bathing i myself scored 3 points for the above paragraph. Also additionally to what i have written, id had thought you would had scored those 2 points if you used aids too. ie a shower chair stool, long handles scrubber / sponge etc.

In any event its worth the fight to get the rightful benefits for your other half.

Please come back and let us know how you got on.

Good luck, regards.

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1 year 8 months ago #279460 by Walky332000
Yeah i was just hoping someone had experience of this in regards to ADP rather than PIP

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1 year 8 months ago #279468 by BIS
Hi Walky33200

I would use the case law that Gary has pointed out to you. ADP has replaced PIP in Scotland, but it hasn't been around long enough for any case law to be established so its worth mentioning it on that basis.

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