help re Sa descripto

I asked for a letter from ESA to prove i was given 15 points as DLA did not beleive me and did not want to look it up so the letter stated i had 15 points and i was in the wrag but also stated the the descriptors Wc and Sa

I have just been reading the WCA handbook am I correct in thinking that the Sa descriptor would put me in the support group I have tried to point this out 7 different dwp people today but nobody knows what the descriptors mean I have been told to appeal but how do you write read your own handbook without sounding condesending lol

Many thanks

Sarah

Johninpain wrote:

I asked for a letter from ESA to prove i was given 15 points as DLA did not beleive me and did not want to look it up so the letter stated i had 15 points and i was in the wrag but also stated the the descriptors Wc and Sa

I have just been reading the WCA handbook am I correct in thinking that the Sa descriptor would put me in the support group I have tried to point this out 7 different dwp people today but nobody knows what the descriptors mean I have been told to appeal but how do you write read your own handbook without sounding condesending lol

Many thanks

Sarah

Hi JIP,

These are the Support Group Descriptors, :

www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2011/228/schedule/2/made?view=plain

And these are the WRAG Descriptors :

www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2011/228/schedule/1/made?view=plain

See also :

Qualifying for the Support Group

Qualifying for the WRAG

This is the Exceptional Circumstances rules to gain entry to the SG without having to fulfill any of the SG Descriptors as above :

www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2008/794/regulation/35/made

And these are the Exceptional Circumstances rules that gain you entry to the WRAG without having to score any points at all, :

www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2008/794/regulation/29/made

I am not sure what you are referring to in the WCA Handbook, can you give the relevant section and page number?

bro58

sorry I posted this a while ago sorry If it turns up twice
page 64 states
(Descriptors in italics and bold reflect a level of disability meeting Support Group inclusion)
and on page 68 Sa is in bold

Many thanks

Sarah

Johninpain wrote:

sorry I posted this a while ago sorry If it turns up twice
page 64 states
(Descriptors in italics and bold reflect a level of disability meeting Support Group inclusion)
and on page 68 Sa is in bold

Many thanks

Sarah

Hi JIP,

Thanks.

Page 64 of WCA Handbook that you refer to, Quote :

PHYSICAL DESCRIPTORS

3.2.2 Mobilising

(Descriptors in italics and bold reflect a level of disability meeting Support Group inclusion)

Activity 1: Mobilising unaided by another person with or without a walking stick, manual wheelchair or other aid if such aid can reasonably be used.

Descriptors

W(a) Cannot either
(i) mobilise more than 50 metres on level ground without stopping in order to avoid significant discomfort or exhaustion
or
(ii) repeatedly mobilise 50 metres within a reasonable timescale because of significant discomfort or exhaustion.

W(a) (i) or (ii) as above actually corresponds to Schedule 3 Regulation 34 (1) 1. (a) or (b) of the Support Group Descriptors as on the first link that I gave you.

Page 68, Quote :

3.2.3 Standing and sitting

Activity 2: Standing and sitting
Descriptors

S(a) Cannot move between one seated position and another seated position located next to one another without receiving physical assistance from another person

S(a) corresponds with Schedule 3 Regulation 34 (1) 2. of the Support Group Descriptors of the ESA regulations on the same link.

So the W(a) and S(a) are not the actual ESA Regulation numbers as you can see, even though they are SG qualifying descriptors.

Don't forget an award of 15 points or more cumulatively only puts a claimant into the WRAG, you must score 15 points, the maximum, on at least one of the SG qualifying descriptors.

Please note The WCA Handbook is not law or legislation, it is guidance given to ATOS HCP's.

bro58

Hi Bro58
I may be being a bit stupid but does this mean if i have an Sa descripter i should be in the support group

Sorry all these regulations are a bit confusing

I know wc or 1c gives 9 points and sa or 2a gives 15 points and SG inclusion?

Many thanks

Sarah