Two personal independence payment (PIP) daily living activities are responsible for the majority of 4 point or higher scores, according to figures released by the DWP.

If Labour’s proposals to limit the PIP daily living component to claimants who score 4 points or more for at least one activity become law, over a million current claimants who do not meet the rule will be looking for opportunities to legitimately meet the criteria.

However, according to data in the Pathways to Work:  Evidence pack: Chapter 2 reforming the structure, viable opportunities may be limited to a few activities for most claimants, as most activities have very few claimants who score highly

38% of claimants score 4 points or higher for activity 1, preparing food (36% score 4 points and 2% score 8 points).

32% score 4 points or higher for activity 9,  engaging with other people face-to-face (31% score 4 points and 1% score 8 points)

The next highest is activity 7, communicating verbally, where 14% of claimants score 4 points or higher.

In order of 4 point score, the daily living activities are:

1 Preparing food  38%

9  Engaging with other people  32%

7  Communicating verbally  14%

10  Budgeting  10%

2  Taking nutrition  10%

5  Managing toilet needs  7%

6  Dressing and undressing  7%

4  Washing and bathing  6%

8 Reading and understanding  6%

3  managing therapy  1%

It appears that problems with activities such as managing toilet needs, dressing and undressing and washing and bathing are not often accepted by decision makers as meeting the 4 point threshold.

So, for many claimants, showing that you need supervision or assistance to either prepare or cook a simple meal may be the best route, if it applies to you.

Following that, especially for those who live with mental health issues, needing social support to be able to engage with other people may be a possible route, though the law around this is complex, so giving relevant evidence is more challenging.

It is hard to see, based on these limited options for higher scores, how the Office for Budget Responsibility’s prediction that only 10% of claimants will lose their daily living award as a result of Labour’s plans will be fulfilled. 

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    · 2 hours ago
    THE LABOUR PARTY AND THE GOVERNMENT are finished for GOOD, therefore, it will be a very, very long time not in my lifetime before they will get any recognition from any voters who will fall for these deceiving labour party again and they might as well enjoy what they hold as an Labour MP for the next four years.
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    · 5 hours ago
    still no clarity on PIP for those over Pension age ?
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    · 5 hours ago
    A new pip assessment is part of the government's agenda. I'm not sure there's any value in estimating how 4 points might be achieved, when we don't know how the points will be allocated.
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    · 5 hours ago
    That Silver Fox youtube channel mentioned a special advisor who resigned working for Rachel Reeves, that special advisor mentioned that these cuts are just and only a money saving exercise. Will that wash with the courts? 
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    · 5 hours ago
    Am I naive to believe that some of these proposals will be watered down? Going full throttle on this will destroy the Labour party, don't listen to the Telegraph or the Daily Mail, cutting disability benefits is not popular, we do know that disabled people have families and or friends who see their plight and know what these cold and callous plans will do to them?

    Again this effects the person I care for, I know his family will never vote Labour ever again, disabled people as a voting bloc can sway elections if they voted for their own interests, food for thought.

    Last week I made a mistake in thinking that Reform might go softer on benefits, Richard Tice and Nigel Farage do not like people on any form of benefits, Clacton is one of the most deprived areas in Britain and one presumes that they rely on in or out of work benefits. 
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    · 6 hours ago
    I have autism but it’s lower level however for the past few years autism all rolls into one their is no different level and once you have a diagnosis from nhs then that’s it their is no ongoing support so if I needed to get 4 points for the new pip criteria then how would I prove that I have been socially isolated for the past 28 years?
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      · 2 hours ago
      @James h Admin - a lot of us are losing words when we post!

      My last lines read (before posting):

      I am wondering if getting a "Professional Opinion" might help fight your corner. You could tell the therapist, in great detail about your social isolation over the years & how badly it has affected you, as long as the therapist agrees to provide you with a detailed report at the end.

      Losing your current award would be financially disastrous for you, so paying for a few sessions of therapy could be an alternative and worthwhile investment?

      My reply to you contains mere pointers, as I'm not an expert, so please seek advice & guidance before spending any money
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      · 3 hours ago
      @James h James, I'm thinking on my feet here, (obviously - not literally), but the thing that can give you a leg up (there I go again), in the arduous process that is PIP, appears to be / could possibly be "Expert Opinion". 

      Since you say that you don't have access to "Medical Opinion" perhaps there is another way?

      Is there an autism website or telephone helpline that could signpost you towards therapy / CBT? 

      I am wondering if getting a "Professional Opinion" might help fight your corner. You could tell the therapist, in great detail about your social isolation over the years & how badly it has affected you, 

       paying for a few sessions of therapy could be an alterative and worthwhile investment?


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    · 7 hours ago
    Maybe I am being a bit thick but a lot of figures going around don’t make a lot of sense. I have seen this elsewhere: Out of 1,608,000 enhanced daily living awards, 13% get fewer than 4 points in all activities.
    Out of 1,283,000 standard daily living awards, 87% get fewer than 4 points in all activities. According to above news in excess of 90% score at least 4 points in a single activity. Now I know there could be claimants who score 4 in more than one activity but it is hard to know exactly how many people are risk.
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    · 7 hours ago
    Ive just put my lottery tickets on for tonight & tomorrow, we've probably got more chance of winning than getting the 4 points we should be awarded .
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    · 8 hours ago
    I remain somewhat optimistic that some of this will be quietly rolled back. Indeed the Labour Party will have failed at democracy if this ultimately loses more votes than it wins. 
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      · 6 hours ago
      @Dods When you consider the total number of votes for Labour during the last election was 9,750,0090 or so, and that in fact it was less then Corbyn's 13,400,000 votes and there are 3 million plus disabled in the country it does not take a mathematical genius to work out that those disabled and their families will cause quiet a dent in the numbers. Labour's bound to fail in the next election if they lose their core voters while chasing Reforms voters!  They will neither get the right vote and will end up many of the progressive votes instead.
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    · 8 hours ago
    DWP Decision Makers should have no role in WCA and PIP assessments and their outcomes.

    They've ZERO medical expertise, as most of them haven't even got their GSCE, yet they're allowed to mess with the health reports of health assessors. They review assessment reports and make a final determination about eligibility. In result, nearly 70% of decisions appealed to tribunals are overturned in favor of the claimants, and this is mainly due to the fact that decision makers have disagreed with the assessor's recommendations, and thus have awarded a different rate or denied it altogether, even though they've ZERO medical skills.


    Solution: Health assessors should be the only ones in charge of deciding the final award and rates. Decision makers, on the other hand, should be asked to go get real jobs.
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      · 53 minutes ago
      @Yorkie Bard Make no mistake, when Liz Kendall parrots that the system, including the assessment process, is broken and needs to be fixed, she's indirectly saying that the current system is granting more awards and it should be tightened so it could give less.
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      · 1 hours ago
      @Mick
      "My understanding and experience is that decision makers generally just rubber stamp whatever points the assessors give."

      Assessors do not give or award any points. They just conduct a clinical assessment and provide a report to the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP). It's damn decision makers with ZERO medical expertise who give/award the bloody points.


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      · 1 hours ago
      @S123 Has she obtained a copy of her PIP assessment report, you can request it from the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP). You can do this after your assessment, often within a week. While the DWP typically won't automatically send you the report, it is available upon request. 
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      · 1 hours ago
      @Scorpion
      I have yet to meet an honest health assessor, My last PIP   phone assessment was recorded by them, and he still lied and twisted the truth to fit his narrative, And 2 DMs sided with him,  resulting in NIL points for anything,
      it was only after I had started the Appeal I was made an offer of Enhanced mobility for 6 years, I even scored 6 points for DL, the whole system is wrong
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      · 2 hours ago
      @Yorkie Bard My daughter had her assessment and although for walking and mobility she score the enhanced rate, for washing and cooking she scored only 2 points. She has severe pain along with fainting and unsteadiness, when moving her upper body to wash or even move the excruciating pain travels to her hips and legs from her stomach.  She has stage 4 Endo where the dr’s have said her insides are stuck together which is why the pain is there. She’s going to have few more surgeries in the next few yrs. How they came to the conclusion she can go into the bath wash her upper body and get out safely without help ( she needs assisting or she doesn’t go in) and to be able to dress herself which if she stretches her arms her pain intensifies. Did tell the assessors she is on her nighties all day. Don’t know if they will change the points and she’s so stressed along with me. Don’t know what to do?
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    · 9 hours ago
    It's ridiculous how much of the assessment is simply a matter of opinion. An applicant says they can't prepare food, the assessor says they can and doesn't award or recommend 4 points. The advice for anyone applying for PIP should include asking your doctor to be very specific about things you have difficulty with so you've got a professional judgement to back you up.

    It's scary how deeply flawed and inadequate the whole process is 
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      · 1 hours ago
      @Quietplease Problem is with a GP letter / report they will say that your GP is only reporting what you have told them as they are not with you at home even judges at tribunals would give that evidence much weight, unless it from a consultant who reports on the limitations you have and how that may impact   what you are able to do
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      · 5 hours ago
      @Quietplease If your doctor knows what you can do or not etc as most don't unless you have told them and  I never get to see the same doctor  even,  it's ridiculous all round . 
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      · 6 hours ago
      @Quietplease Couldn’t agree more. I told my assessor that I couldn’t even use a microwave without supervision. They only scored me two points “for being able to use a microwave” anyway.

      I didn’t bother fighting it because I got enough points for enhanced anyway but I certainly have to hammer the point down even more if using a microwave won’t score any points eventually period.
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    · 10 hours ago
    This Government must really hate disabled people!

    "More than 60,000 disabled households in England faced homelessness last year, an increase of nearly 75% since 2019, official figures show.

    Analysis of government data by the homelessness charity Crisis also shows the amount of social housing given to disabled people has gone down."


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      · 9 hours ago
      @Yorkie Bard I heard this too. It’s awful! If the proposals go through it will be much worse! 
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    · 10 hours ago
    So they want people to be on a "pathway to work" on a benefit that has nothing to do with work.But these people who can't wash ,dress or need help with toileting cannot possibly join the workforce,and now can't get any points either.Do they see how ridiculous the whole thing is.I expect when it gets to the vote this will become a sticking point.I can't see this getting through the Lords either.Manipulating the points so sick and disabled people become destitute with no carer or health element, it's unbelievable.
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      · 5 hours ago
      @Claire @Claire, agreed. We'd be like Katherine Tate's Nan!
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    · 11 hours ago
    I imagine hundreds of thousands of people are going to go to Tribunal when they fail to score 4 points in 1 activity. It will be chaos. Waiting lists for Appeals will be years. The Government really are clueless as well as nasty!
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      · 8 hours ago
      @Yorkie Bard Sorry, forgot to mention that my real name is Zayn Zachary.

      (My humour is the only thing still working).
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      · 9 hours ago
      @Yorkie Bard Or, as was the case before the Supreme Court overturned the Conservative Govt, in relation to employment tribunals, that those who wish to pursue the DWP for PIP tribunals would have to pay to do so. 
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      · 10 hours ago
      @Sick and Tired When that does happen, (& I agree it will), the Government will have an answer - you can be sure.

      I suspect they will declare PIP Tribunals too lenient towards appellants, too expensive or not fit for purpose & abolish them. 

      Either that, or they will limit access to Tribunals to those people with the initial Z of both first name and surname.

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