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DWP Phone Call Before Tribunal - PIP
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I disagreed with some of what was said and so put in an MR which came back as rejected saying they stood by their decision. I then put in an appeal online.
I was very thorough and went through every point I disagreed with and why (took a lot of time, tears, stress and help but I got there thanks to this site and family support). I had no extra literal evidence other than an increase and addition to my medication. The main issue is how my anxiety was addressed and how they feel that one of my other illnesses has no bearing on cognition despite it being a common main symptom.
I recently got a phone call from a very polite lady just after the DWP's deadline to reply to the appeal. It went something like this (not word for word):
DWP: Hi my name is xxx I am from the DWP ringing about your appeal, is that xxx?
Me: Yes
DWP: I am letting you know that I'm looking at your appeal today and wondered if there is anything you'd like to add before I do so? I can see you have been very detailed with your appeal and have provided a lot of information.
Me: No, there is nothing I'd like to add.
DWP: Ok. I want to make sure you understand if it goes to a tribunal you won't always get more points and you may even lose points meaning you lose your award entirely.
Me: Yes, I'm aware of that.
DWP: So, you still want to go ahead with the appeal?
Me: Yes, I do.
DWP: Ok, if I can offer you a deal after looking at your case then I'll ring you back. If I can't then it will go to a tribunal ok?
Me: Yes, that's fine.
Then the usual, thanks and bye etc. Of course, she never rang back and hasn't "offered a deal" I got the bundle in the post where they have now included this phone call stating that I was obviously somewhere public and that I sounded very upbeat and alert.
I can't even recall what I sounded like, (after working in call centres for years I do tend to put in a "telephone voice" when people ring so they can understand me). I was "alert" due to the fact I was awake/lucid and able to answer very basic questions.
The phone call lasted 120 seconds. She had also rung twice just before this but I was too nervous to take the call (I dislike speaking on the phone). I eventually took it in case it was some kind of emergency (I have a child and an elderly parent who lives alone), it was from an 0800 number I didn't recognise. It seems she was very determined to get through to me.
My questions are:
Is fair/reasonable that they are providing this as new evidence?
Is this standard practice and seen as professional?
Is it fair/reasonable that she assumes where I was? I never stated where I was or if I was with anyone.
What is my next step? Should I reply to this new "evidence"? Do I have to counteract what they have assumed from a 120-second phone call?
Would the tribunal look unfavourably on the DWP making these kinds of calls/assumptions? Or should I just ignore it?
I'm yet to sit down and read through everything in the bundle as it's extremely large and I'll need some support from my husband but that is what has stood out to me so far.
Thanks in advance!
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You may not like it, but they are entitled to report on contact with you and it's just an opinion.Is fair/reasonable that they are providing this as new evidence?
The will sometimes contact claimants before an appeal and a record will be made of any conversations.Is this standard practice and seen as professional?
No, it isn't fair.Is it fair/reasonable that she assumes where I was? I never stated where I was or if I was with anyone.
Wait until you have read through your entire bundle. There may be other things you wish to say.What is my next step? Should I reply to this new "evidence"? Do I have to counteract what they have assumed from a 120-second phone call?
I would mention it at the end of any other evidence.
I can't tell you what the judge and/or panel would say - I think it depends on who you get. It's up to you whether you choose to raise it.Would the tribunal look unfavourably on the DWP making these kinds of calls/assumptions? Or should I just ignore it?
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Thanks for answering my points. I don't mind them ringing it's more the fact she made assumptions, I thought making an assumption about someone was pretty unprofessional, especially in a legal matter.
Would it be best for me to avoid wording it like that in my reply? Should I form a rebuttal in the respect of where I actually was as opposed to where she assumed I was? I have some experience with court cases/tribunals and I know they often don't like people going tit-for-tat with one another.
I'll be going through the bundle soon when I have some energy. I hope others can chime in with their experiences of this if any exist. Yes, I know that all tribunals will differ as all PIP claims will differ and all panels will differ but gaining knowledge is always appreciated.

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I really appreciate the input though. I feel it may be better to let it go but if assumptions end up being a recurring theme in their bundle then I may include it. We shall see!
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