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18 hours 18 minutes ago #315325 by Earlbrutus
A brief overview so far. My autistic / adhd daughter who is 21 (I am her appointee) had her PIP cut after a my phone review which was incredibly traumatic and I believe highly unprfessional. It resulted in my daughter, who was asked to speak on the phone and remain in the room, having a meltdown after having to listen to me talking about her mental health and highly sensitive issues she experienced when she was younger and the loss of her dad. (I felt like I was having to justify her Autistic diagnosis and explain about autism to the reviewer, who I then learnt on the Decision letter was a Physiotherapist and clearly did not have any idea about how Autism affects individuals). I too was in tears at points as the questioning seems so very in-sensitive.

She had to leave the room ten minutes into the review and after the hour and 20 minute review, I found her sobbing curled up in a ball under her duvet. She was not able to go to University that day as she was so overwhelmed and upset.

I had asked for a reviewer who had specific training in Neurodiversity and Autism but was told that 'they do not have any reviewers trained in this' by Circa I think the outsourced company was. Even though in 2016 when I applied for PIP for her, I was called by an Autistic Consultant for further information.

I asked for a Mandatory Review as they cut all of her daily living - I went into detail explaining how much support she needs and was quite shocked to read the notes as to why the decision would remain. In many sections it just said ' because she can attend Uni this shows high cognitive reasoning '. They totally ignored my submitted notes, there were incorrect facts they stated, spelling mistakes and it was almost like they did not even read my supporting letter breaking down each and every section and challenging and explaining why I thought the decision was wrong.

I submitted an appeal for a tribunal and was told the DWP had until 6th August to respond, they still have not responded. I too have ADHD and on the Tribunal form asked for a paper hearing as I struggle to process direct verbal questions and need extra time to respond.

My question is, can I appeal a Tribunal decision if it comes back with the same result? Thanks for you help

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3 hours 53 minutes ago #315337 by LL26
Hi Earlbrutus,
I'm sorry to here that your experience with the assessment and ensuring decision has been difficult.
Firstly I would write a letter or email the tribunal and explain that you have not received the appeal bundle (DWP Response will be copies of all the relevant papers together with an explanation - this is often called the appeal bundle.) The 28 day time limit is via Tribunal Rule 24 www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2008/2685 ,this is a link to the whole Rules. Rule 8 allows for a party's evidence to be struck out if rules are not met.
Thus you could write to the Tribunal and state that DWP have failed to respond (give all the dates etc) and request a Direction that if DWP do not respond within a further 14 days that the DWP case be struck out under Rule 8. You could also mention Rule 2 which provides the 'overriding objective' of fairness which includes avoidance of delay.
Yes there is a right of appeal but only on an error of law.
See the link to a previous post which explains this further
www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/kunena/10-dla-...ed-pip-appeal#314815
If you haven't already done so, perhaps you should make a formal complaint about the assessment. Whilst this may not achieve much personally it might help to raise standards. Also, often at Tribunal when you assert the assessment was poor, the first question is always 'did you make a complaint?' Even if the complaint is brushed away, the fact that you make a complaint makes you seem more credible.
Another thought about the papers and decision making in general, there are a lot of bogus comparisons. You can drive - so you can cook and wash yourself. Etc etc. If you haven't done so already try and rebut these obscure comparisons. How is Uni? Does your daughter have specialist support from Student Services? If so, describe what happens. Or perhaps daughter goes to Uni and doesn't get involved with anything and is reclusive. Or, she does have friends but they act as 'social support' basically acting as an informal carer. Otherwise it may just be a huge nightmare but y
your daughter has regular melt downs so goes to Uni and really isn't coping. Whichever scenario or other scenario applies, or indeed combination, you can explain the help/support/meltdown/avoidance etc and hence explain why Uni attendance does not prove descriptor activities can be performed. Certainly if lectures are missed or there is a reclusive or meltdown style element to Uni this indicates a lack of acceptable standard which certainly contradicts the false comparison DWP is trying to use
Remember also that there is a principle of normality - this came from case law - Fairey case. Basically a disabled person seeking benefit has a right to do anything that would normally done by others. Benefit shouldn't be refused in the basis of someone trying to lead a normal life.
Several cases explain this better. In one case DWP refused points for a gentlemen who was disabled and couldn't do up buttons on his shirt. According to DWP he could wear elasticated clothing without buttons. Hence no points. But why? Why shouldn't someone wear a smart buttoned shirt, and buttoned trousers, why should a disabled person be effectively penalised by having to wear baggy elasticated clothing? The law provides for points if you need help with getting dressed, and since many people wear buttoned clothing if you need help to do buttons, but not elastic, this won't preclude points. (It also dovetails with being able to 'repeat' the activity - you need to be able to perform all reasonable varieties of the activity. Avoidance of difficult things/activities is a reality for many disabled people. Why bother do something that is painful, causes anxiety etc etc - take the easy road! But PIP points should not be precluded.
I hope this helps.
Keep us updated.
LL26

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