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3 years 4 months ago #265547 by Rambling Ted
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Hope its ok to ask 2 questions in one post.
1) I cannot use walking sticks or similar aids due to wrist problems. I rely on my partner /carer and lean on his arm for support. It says not to count help from another person so should I just put how far I should walk on my own in the tick box and then explain how he helps me and why I cant use aids? does he count as an aid !!
2) I recently had ultrasounds on my ankles and then steroid injections into them. It shows I have oesteoarthritis as well as Inflammation with Rheumatoid Arthritis. The injections have helped with swelling at the moment but the affect is temporary and may only last a couple of months.
Would they base their decision on how I am at this moment or from before I had the injections and maybe in the future .
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1) I cannot use walking sticks or similar aids due to wrist problems. I rely on my partner /carer and lean on his arm for support. It says not to count help from another person so should I just put how far I should walk on my own in the tick box and then explain how he helps me and why I cant use aids? does he count as an aid !!
2) I recently had ultrasounds on my ankles and then steroid injections into them. It shows I have oesteoarthritis as well as Inflammation with Rheumatoid Arthritis. The injections have helped with swelling at the moment but the affect is temporary and may only last a couple of months.
Would they base their decision on how I am at this moment or from before I had the injections and maybe in the future .
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3 years 4 months ago #265555 by BIS
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Hi Rambling Ted
1. Write how far you can walk by yourself. (No he doesn't count as an aid). Make it very clear why you cannot use aids.
2. What they base their decision on will be on what you write and how you explain it. I can't say anymore because I'm not an assessor and don't know your case. Try to eliminate any chance of them misinterpreting what you're saying. (It can be a challenge!)
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1. Write how far you can walk by yourself. (No he doesn't count as an aid). Make it very clear why you cannot use aids.
2. What they base their decision on will be on what you write and how you explain it. I can't say anymore because I'm not an assessor and don't know your case. Try to eliminate any chance of them misinterpreting what you're saying. (It can be a challenge!)
BIS
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3 years 4 months ago #265580 by LL26
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Hi Rambling Ted,
To continue from what BIS has says about question 2.
Although you have been given injections and the swelling has eased, does this mean you can actually walk further? Does it help with balance? Is the pain less? Can you continue to have the injections every so often or is this a one-off? What, if anything has the consultant said? Think about the whole scenario.
As BIS says, there is a real danger that if you write that you have had the injections and things seem better, then you may not get points for mobility.
However, if, having thought about the real effect of the injections it may not have increased your walking ability, or it might have reduced pain but you still get eg breathless on walking, which hasn't been solved. Alternatively, you may still have falls, or eg your leg still gives way.
If having considered all aspects of your walking, and you think it is genuinely improved in terms of distance, safety, time taken, being able to repeat etc then you probably do need to mention the improvement. Otherwise by all means say that you have had the injections, but then say that although swelling has been reduced, you still can't walk X metres (whatever your PIP ability is) because, and then go through all the difficulties.
Walking ability isn't about what I call the duracell battery test. If you have seen the adverts, the duracell battery goes on and on, but the other batteries die out long before. You are not trying to prove how far you can walk until drop down from exhaustion and genuinely can not move!
PIP requires you to think about safety, reasonable time, repeating and acceptable standard.
Walking with severe discomfort has to be discounted. Note, severe discomfort is far less than excruciating agony, and can comprise breathlessness, pain, (not just leg pain) etc etc. If you always gave severe discomfort but grind through the pain, then legally for PIP your walking ability is 0m, but I would always put a small nominal amount as DWP don’t usually understand the severe discomfort rules! Falls need to be taken into account, and remember that a stumble is only a wobble away from a full fall. Speed and manner of walking are also relevant. Your PIP walking ability is the limit of what you can do without falling over, without getting out of breath, etc and what you can achieve in no more than twice the time of a non disabled person. If the injections only mean eg you can walk 40m instead of the previous 25m then you can still safely tick the 20-50m box.
I hope this adds a bit of clarity to thinking about your PIP mobility. This is always a difficult thing to analyse.
LL26
To continue from what BIS has says about question 2.
Although you have been given injections and the swelling has eased, does this mean you can actually walk further? Does it help with balance? Is the pain less? Can you continue to have the injections every so often or is this a one-off? What, if anything has the consultant said? Think about the whole scenario.
As BIS says, there is a real danger that if you write that you have had the injections and things seem better, then you may not get points for mobility.
However, if, having thought about the real effect of the injections it may not have increased your walking ability, or it might have reduced pain but you still get eg breathless on walking, which hasn't been solved. Alternatively, you may still have falls, or eg your leg still gives way.
If having considered all aspects of your walking, and you think it is genuinely improved in terms of distance, safety, time taken, being able to repeat etc then you probably do need to mention the improvement. Otherwise by all means say that you have had the injections, but then say that although swelling has been reduced, you still can't walk X metres (whatever your PIP ability is) because, and then go through all the difficulties.
Walking ability isn't about what I call the duracell battery test. If you have seen the adverts, the duracell battery goes on and on, but the other batteries die out long before. You are not trying to prove how far you can walk until drop down from exhaustion and genuinely can not move!
PIP requires you to think about safety, reasonable time, repeating and acceptable standard.
Walking with severe discomfort has to be discounted. Note, severe discomfort is far less than excruciating agony, and can comprise breathlessness, pain, (not just leg pain) etc etc. If you always gave severe discomfort but grind through the pain, then legally for PIP your walking ability is 0m, but I would always put a small nominal amount as DWP don’t usually understand the severe discomfort rules! Falls need to be taken into account, and remember that a stumble is only a wobble away from a full fall. Speed and manner of walking are also relevant. Your PIP walking ability is the limit of what you can do without falling over, without getting out of breath, etc and what you can achieve in no more than twice the time of a non disabled person. If the injections only mean eg you can walk 40m instead of the previous 25m then you can still safely tick the 20-50m box.
I hope this adds a bit of clarity to thinking about your PIP mobility. This is always a difficult thing to analyse.
LL26
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3 years 4 months ago #265613 by Rambling Ted
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Thanks for the long reply and all the tips . They're very useful. The injections were a one off . I have mentioned it on my form .
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