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3 years 3 months ago #266269 by anne3427
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I've requested and received my PA4 which suggests I will get the standard rate for both DL and Moving About. The results for the condition which causes me most problems, my cognitive impairment, attracts no points as 1) I used to be a solicitor so am considered intelligent (I hadn't practiced for several years before developing cognitive impairment), I drive so I must be able to read signs, I followed the flow of the assessment. My biggest problem is difficulty with reading - I was honest in my application form and said that I have a high level of literacy but no longer read well as I have to keep going back and rereading as I process slowly (backed up by neuropsychology testing which shows that I have reduced visual working memory and processing speed, also impaired executive function). I also have trouble engaging with people arising from my cognitive impairment because 1) it is embarrassing that I cannot always get my words, and 2) engagement takes so much concentration I end up exhausted. But I don't think "reliably" was taken into account in the assessment. Instead the assessor has relied on observational evidence. This was a telephone assessment, and I wasn't asked to read during the assessment - the medical evidence is there (from the neuropsychologist who carried out a large battery of tests), this backs up my experience (before the neuropsych report I just thought I was going mad) but apparently a registered nurse knows better? I have the points for the award I expected to get (10 for DL) but it's really important to me to have recognised that I suffer from the impact of my CRCI, should I challenge the report? If so, should I wait until the decisoin or do it straight away. Thanks for reading and apols for the long post.
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3 years 3 months ago #266286 by Gary
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Hi anne3427
There is a small window for you to write to the Decision Maker but you will need to be quick.
Now you have the assessment report you will have a better understanding of how the DWP Decision Maker has come to their conclusions and you will now be able to argue against them.
I usually use a highlighter to highlight any inaccuracies, once you have gone through the report you then set out why you are applying for a MR and go through each descriptor one at a time why you disagree with the assessor and try and match it with any supporting documents you may have sent in.
Understand that the assessor is offering an opinion when they say 'in my opinion' you can do the PIP activities, tackling these head-on is unlikely to be successful, you need to show that the basis of that opinion is founded on incorrect information, so try and refer to your evidence to undermine what they have said., remember they are just an opinion which is not based on fact.
Also, try and stick to issues that lead to your scoring points, I often hear members referring to the assessors spelling, as an example, whilst it may show a lack of professionalism, raising it as an issue isn't going to help you get an award.
Your primary task is to show that you meet the criteria, there are many reasons you may have failed, you need to address each of these but don't get bogged down in criticising the assessment report unless you can clearly show that it is incorrect, it is a lot easier to argue the facts of the situation;
Lastly, make sure that you understand the criteria that you are being assessed against you can put the best case forward that is possible but you won't score points if you do not meet the PIP Descriptors.
Make sure that your letter makes it clear that you are not requesting a Mandatory Reconsideration but you reserve the right to do so once a Decision has been made. Make sure any letter you send to the DWP is sent by recorded delivery.
The first stage to challenging a Decision is for you to request a Mandatory Reconsideration, this needs to be done in writing to the DWP, within one month of the Decision, to the office that dealt with your claim, have a look at our PIP MR & Appeal guide, half way down the page for details of the process, the PIP area also has template letters that you can use to make the request with.
www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/help-for-claimants/pip
When you have a better idea of the issues with your claim, come back to the forum and we will do our best to help.
Gary
There is a small window for you to write to the Decision Maker but you will need to be quick.
Now you have the assessment report you will have a better understanding of how the DWP Decision Maker has come to their conclusions and you will now be able to argue against them.
I usually use a highlighter to highlight any inaccuracies, once you have gone through the report you then set out why you are applying for a MR and go through each descriptor one at a time why you disagree with the assessor and try and match it with any supporting documents you may have sent in.
Understand that the assessor is offering an opinion when they say 'in my opinion' you can do the PIP activities, tackling these head-on is unlikely to be successful, you need to show that the basis of that opinion is founded on incorrect information, so try and refer to your evidence to undermine what they have said., remember they are just an opinion which is not based on fact.
Also, try and stick to issues that lead to your scoring points, I often hear members referring to the assessors spelling, as an example, whilst it may show a lack of professionalism, raising it as an issue isn't going to help you get an award.
Your primary task is to show that you meet the criteria, there are many reasons you may have failed, you need to address each of these but don't get bogged down in criticising the assessment report unless you can clearly show that it is incorrect, it is a lot easier to argue the facts of the situation;
Lastly, make sure that you understand the criteria that you are being assessed against you can put the best case forward that is possible but you won't score points if you do not meet the PIP Descriptors.
Make sure that your letter makes it clear that you are not requesting a Mandatory Reconsideration but you reserve the right to do so once a Decision has been made. Make sure any letter you send to the DWP is sent by recorded delivery.
The first stage to challenging a Decision is for you to request a Mandatory Reconsideration, this needs to be done in writing to the DWP, within one month of the Decision, to the office that dealt with your claim, have a look at our PIP MR & Appeal guide, half way down the page for details of the process, the PIP area also has template letters that you can use to make the request with.
www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/help-for-claimants/pip
When you have a better idea of the issues with your claim, come back to the forum and we will do our best to help.
Gary
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3 years 3 months ago - 3 years 3 months ago #266291 by denby
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Hi Anne3427, please do follow Gary's advice and challenge the PA4 immediately. To encourage you, doing so gained an Enhanced x2 award for our daughter without even the hassle of MR, after having to go all the way to Tribunal the previous two times to get this. If I had left it, the sneaky twists and outright mis-statements and sheer omissions never mind sweeping assumptions in the PA4 would not have got this result.
Good wishes, and sympathy for the difficulties with which you now live your life. Given your old job hopefully even now you won't find it too hard to write coldly, unemotionally, 'it was' rather than 'she said' style.
Denby
Good wishes, and sympathy for the difficulties with which you now live your life. Given your old job hopefully even now you won't find it too hard to write coldly, unemotionally, 'it was' rather than 'she said' style.
Denby
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3 years 2 months ago #266328 by anne3427
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Thank you so much Gary, this is really helpful, particularly the bit about saying I'm not seeking a MR but reserving the right to do so. Since subnitting my post originally I've read the MR guide and had already made a decision not to ask for MR as the assessor's report (if followed) will give me the points for the award I thought I would get so I'm now in the process of putting together a submission on just the activities where I feel the impact of my cognitive impairment has been dismissed. It's difficult as I don't have a firm diagnosis as the area of CRCI is relatively new (around 30 years) and not as settled as other areas of medical knowledge, but I do have the clinical neuropysch report which shows that the areas of my cognition that are so out of step with my test of premorbid intelligence are clearly backed up by the welter of research available showing which cognitive domains are found impaired in CRCI and I've found that there is no CRCI clinical pathway in my health board area so I can argue that the absence of a diagnosis is of less important in the context of no CRCI clinical pathway, the CNP report and the research evidence. Unfortunately as my speed of reading isn't great anymore so it's taking me quite a time but I'll get it off to DWP as soon as I can - the text I had from them to let them know that the PA4 was back with them from the assessor said it could take up to 8 weeks to take a decision so hopefully I'll get my letter in ahead of the decision.
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3 years 2 months ago #266329 by anne3427
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Thank you Denby, yes, I'll follow Gary's guidance and try to pull back some of my very rusty legal professional distance to make the approach and language as objective and dispassionate as possible. Glad to hear you got the right outcome for your daughter, although it sounds like it was hard won particularly having to go to tribunal twice on previous occasions.
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3 years 2 months ago #266330 by anne3427
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Sorry to labour this topic further but are you aware of any case law on memory in the context of Activity 8; reading? I made the mistake of saying during the assessment that I have to re-read things several times due to memory (although I use the term "memory problems" as a shorthand for saying "I have poor visual working memory and slow processing speed") and now find that memory isn't really considered for this activity. I find it really strange that if you have to re-read a complex sentence several times to because you've lost the first bit by the time you get to the end that this is not taken into account - I can understand that simply forgetting once something is read and needing to come back to it after a while that this might not count but surely being able to read requires you to be able to get through a whole sentence before having to go back to the beginning of it to remind yourself of the start? Thanks
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