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2 years 11 months ago #268436 by LL26
Replied by LL26 on topic Zero points in PIP assessment
Hi Jonathan T,
I think what you have written is pretty good, but I'm going to suggest a few tweaks, which might make your letter more punchy.
Don't say I believe I should get X points, be assertive. Just say I should get X points.
Don't you the word often sometimes or at times it means nothing! PIp points are awarded if you can't perform the activity for the majority of days - 'often' etc is too vague.. If you really can't do the activity for the majority of days then you can't do the activity. So you can either say 'I can't do X' or you could say ,' I can't do X for the majority of days...'.
Words like 'I struggle' could be interpreted by DWP as 'its difficult but I can do...'
It s much better to write things like
'I lack motivation to cook because. ..' t
So, from the first descriptor
" I lack the ability to get organised to carry out tasks, because I find it extremely difficult to break down a task into a sequence of steps to follow. I see it as one daunting thing.
• Due to depression I lack motivation to prepare and cook a meal.
• I need someone to remind me to check that food is not burning as I get easily distracted or lose track of time.

The rest of prepare is OK but don't say you live at home and that your Mum cooks food, It is better to say I can not cook and prepare a simple meal without assistance, otherwise DWP will just say not having learnt how to cook dies not give rise to PIP points.No need to add you make a sandwich.

Other words such as 'I easily get distracted' again gives DWP to argue no points. Just say 'i get distracted
Again things like My family will attempt [ to help me plan or follow a journey] just say my family has to take me along the route before I can go own my own so that [ provide explanation].
Can you supply some more examples?
Maybe Mum was out and about somewhe and you tried to cook and everything went horribly wrong? Maybe you got terribly panicky because you were lost when Dad couldn't give you a lift somewhere?
Perhaps, you upset someone who thought you were being very rude because they didn't understand you? Maybe it nearly led to a fight, or maybe you were upset and really embarrassed when you realised how badly you had misunderstood the situation?
If these sorts of things have happened, or similar events then to give an example makes everything more real for DWP. One or two examples for each descriptor should suffice.

You may also wish to consider 4 vital criteria. (All need to be satisfied, but they may not necessarily all apply to your difficulties.)
Safely
Repeatedly
In a reasonable time (no more than twice that of non-disabled person)
Acceptable standard

More about these criteria can be found in the Members Guides.
Safely - this may apply eg if you burn food or yourself
Repeatedly- may not apply- you need to be able to do each activity several times per day as required
Time- eg if you take too long to follow a route, or to understand a conversation , or choose the right clothes
Acceptable standard- this can link with safety- if food is burnt it's not cooked acceptably, raw food may not be safe or acceptable . If you are eg always rude or behave inappropriately with people, then you might not be communicating ir engaging with people to an acceptable standard.
Hence you might want to add to your comments, say under Food preparation either as a first ir final bullet point
Eg • I can not cook safely, and to an acceptable standard
Or perhaps, if at the end of the section
• the above difficulties provide clear evidence that I can not prepare and cook a simple meal safely, and within a reasonable
On the whole you have written a good letter .Well done. I know this can not have been easy.
LL26

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2 years 11 months ago #268437 by pomaus
Replied by pomaus on topic Zero points in PIP assessment
Johnathon

People with experience of representing people at tribunals will know better than I.

All I would say from what you have written is to remember the words,
Reliably, repeatedly and safely
Therefore, if doing an activity was to cause you such distress, that you would then avoid doing the activity again for say 3 days or more, you would argue the point that you therefore can not do it reliably and repeatedly.

Also in relation to dangerous situations you find yourself in unaware, you would use the word safely.

The final thing I would say is it is important to try and explain more when you are going for a category of supervision or assistance, why you need supervision, what type of assistance you get and what would happen without it.
You dont have to actually get this assistance all the time, because it could be the case that without the assistance, the activity does not take place.

For example, somebody could receive assistance a couple of times a week to prepare and cook a meal and with that assistance, they are able to complete the task, safely. However, the other days of the week, if they do not have the support, they then rely on convenience foods ie crisps and snacks. Therefore the task is not able to be carried out either reliably or safely without supervision

You really need to be clear on what you need to say when making the case for "assistance or supervision" if that is what you feel you need, otherwise, it can come across as only needing prompting.

Good Luck Johnathan
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2 years 11 months ago #268446 by Gary
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Hi pomaus

Spot on with your analogy.

Gary

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2 years 11 months ago #268451 by Gordon
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Be careful using the term "reliably", whilst it is used in the forum and in the B&W guides it has no legal standing in regard to PIP as it does not appear in the legislation.

Stick to the legally defined terms;

(a)safely;
(b)to an acceptable standard;
(c)repeatedly; and
(d)within a reasonable time period

Gordon

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