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2 years 7 months ago #271182 by M
I have been rejected from my PIP application thus have currently put in for the first appeal stage, I am also rewriting my statement using the booklet guidance from benefits and work. Sorry in advance if my post is a bit long, I'll try and put key stuff in bold but please please can someone help me with my questions/difficulties below (main question is in red bold).

1. I have dyslexia, dyspraxia and ADHD which probably affect my answer lengths - for example the answer to the first question is approximately 8 pages long, 10 pages long, 7 pages long - partially because I am bad at conveying information to begin with but also because I'm trying to give as many examples and consequences as possible and also because I know I should receive the enhanced award if that makes sense. However, I have read online in some places that if you write extremely long length answers such as the aforementioned then they will not read my application?
What should be the answer length, aka what will they actually read? My answers are probably too long so please let me know what I should work towards so hopefully I can shorten them and make the rest of my answers shorter too, so they are hopefully going to be at the ideal length.

This is my most important question so for now I'll just post this as the other questions can wait but my deadline is very soon so it would mean a lot to me if you could answer the above question please :)

2. I think part of the reason why I'm now giving so many examples and details regarding the question answers is also because they've said how I am studying Medicine as my 2nd degree, I'm perfectly capable with everything and of course, I have to interact with patients etc so my communication is okay. But it's like they literally asked me about if I stay in touch with my friend's and I told her that, I'm lucky I have really good friends who go above and beyond constantly making an effort for me, so that's why I still have friends but I'm useless with communication. She asked me what I'd been up to on a daily basis whilst on this gap year if I don't socialise etc, and I literally explained how I'd been doing nothing except sitting in my bed on instagram scrolling all day, that's how bad my depressive symtpoms have been.

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2 years 7 months ago #271186 by BIS
Hi Mimi

Unfortunately, I cannot give you an answer here. There is no 'ideal length'. No one knows whether the DWP read everything that has been sent in or not - they are certainly supposed to and there are no guidelines on the length of a Mandatory Reconsideration. Some people would advise you to keep it brief and others would say put in as much detail as possible to not leave anything to chance.

I am afraid you can only make a decision on this one yourself. Ask yourself whether giving five or six examples really tells them anything new or would two examples be enough for one question. For example you mention your depression. If you are answering the question about communicating with others - you have given a great example in your post about sitting on your bed all day because of your depression. Explain the impact of being isolated, how it makes you feel, how your life has changed, how you don't feel better even though someone is trying to keep in touch. Illustrate that answer fully ( or another one just like it). Adding another five or six examples won't make it more meaningful to anyone reading it.

What you are trying to do in the Mandatory Reconsideration is challenge what the assessor has said. Assuming you have the assessment report (PA4). If they have said that you communicate freely because of your medical studies, you need to say they are mistaken and say why.

BIS

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2 years 7 months ago #271224 by LL26
Hi Mimi,
To add to BIS' excellent reply, also say what your friends do for you do they prompt you to go and socialise, do you feel safe with them etc and why. It is likely that they are your support network allowing you to do many things you wouldn't do but for their support. Maybe one or more of them could make a statement for you explaining what help they provide.
BIS is right an MR letter can be as long as you like. If you feel that what you are saying contributes to the picture of your disabilities then keep it, if it then no. Maybe ask for one of your friends to read your letter and criticise it.Be open to that criticism however hard it may be. This is from your friend so they will be wanting to help you!
Good luck.
Let us know how you get on.
LL26

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2 years 7 months ago #271466 by M
Hi, thank you so so so much for reading everything and your time for that and replying, it means a lot to me. I guess your response makes sense, I just am not too sure where to go with it because writing such in depth answers is difficult and draining but also, feels like I'm not doing it properly if I am not in-depth. I understand everything and am so grateful, do you have any advice or a ballpark figure for a minimum length?
I kind of already started writing it without reading what the assessor said as initially I never submitted any statement, so once I've finished writing my statement I guess as I'll be including all of the relevant stuff because the sad truth is just because I have friend's doesn't mean any of this is easy and that I am lying, so I've included it all but I'm thinking of going to citizens advice or something, where someone can help me put those 2 things together like bridge my statement with explaining why what the assessor has said is wrong in their report- do you have any recommendation of who can help with that or any organisations aside from Citizens advice?
Yeah they took a long time but I do have the report when they finally gave it me, I told them during my assesment in the call that I have got in trouble regarding how I communicate during my medicine degree, so either they were NOT listening to me or they just lied? I am so confused because my assesment was recorded too so why would the assessor lie on the report knowing it's being recorded?

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2 years 7 months ago #271467 by M
Hello, thank you so so so much for your insight, idea and advice, and also for your time for reading my post and replying genuinely I am truly grateful to have supportive people on here trying their best to help me so thank you for your kindness from the bottom of my heart.
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2 years 7 months ago #271468 by LL26
Hi M,
Remember that whatever you think never say assessors lie. They can get confused, misunderstand or perhaps misheard! This is very important. The MR shouldn't be a personal attack or DWP will just lose interest.
And as to your question, why do Assessors get 'confused' I don't know, sometimes (and I genuinely think this is true) the computer isn't cleared from the previous claimant and things get carried over, otherwise some really random stuff is entered!
I write long MR letters! (So can't advise whether short is good!)If you are struggling to keep it short try writing bullet points on a spare page.
Condense the criticisms of the assessor into 4 or 5 points. You can go through the report and list the major issues. Don’t try and list all decorate 39 spelling mistakes or the 15 times where there is no full stop. If these sort of mistakes occur this could be a bullet point-
•many grammatical errors and passages that do not make sense
eg 'Claimant has not not had painful feat'
(which can then be commented on showing lack of attention to detail which eg could support the idea that the assessor wasn't really listening)
Another bullet point could be eg
•Assessor has misheard what I have said on many occasions
Eg 'I do not walk to visit my mother, she passed away 15 years ago.'
Or maybe
•The assessor has made many incorrect assumptions
Eg 'Claimant works therefore can prepare food.
However I am blind and I have many 'reasonable adjustments' to allow me to work, such as voice recognition software, and a braille keyboard. I can not see to peel vegetable safely...

You can then go through each relevant descriptor. Refer back to the members guides if you need to. Decide what points award you believe us correct. You can always ask a friend's opinion. Remember 4 criteria (all must apply)
Safety
Acceptable standard
Reasonable time
Repetition across the whole as reasonably required.
Think how you manage the PIP activities for the majority of days, so you can ignore the better days.

Then on another scrap page write your bullet points for each descriptor. What can/can't you do. Why? What did the Assessor say. Whats incorrect. Give up to eg three examples of what different things can go wrong/why you can't do X. You can either keep these as bullet points or expand into proper sentences as you write the final MR. If you feel you need one or two more examples include them, if they add something.
Consider if less than three examples eg of getting lost and not following a journey maybe necessary. You can say 3 times last month I got lost, eg on Monday 23rd XYZ happened and explain that or just use a quick sentence of one line to sum up each incident. Alternatively you can just say eg 'in the last 6 weeks I have fallen over 11 times, including straining my ankle and on another occasion breaking a wrist. This is due to poor balance and indicates I need assistance....'
You don't have to explain everything calamity, just the important ones use bullet points or lists.
If your MR is say 20 pages of normal type it probably is too long. If it is 4 or 5 pages,perhaps 6 or 7 then it is OK, but it really depends on whether you score on all descriptors or just a few.
Hopefully this will help!
LL26

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