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LCWRA 11 - Initiating personal action
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2 years 3 months ago #274094 by Anxious Anonymous
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Hello,
I have read your guide but I’m still a little lost with this descriptor:
11. Initiating and completing personal action (which means planning, organisation, problem solving, prioritising or switching tasks).
Cannot, due to impaired mental function, reliably initiate or complete at least 2 sequential personal actions.
So how does this apply? What examples are best.
Is it:
Someone who doesn’t wash daily and needs to be reminded to do this due to depression/anxiety
Someone who can’t leave the house to go shopping, so someone has to do the shopping for them
Someone who doesn’t cook their main meals with fresh ingredients, someone does their cooking
Someone who doesn’t start or complete household tasks, or starts them but doesn’t complete them due to fatigue and depression
Someone who needs help paying their rent and bills, going through what’s needed to be paid etc.
Also: what if the person despite all of the above can make an online consultation with a doctor to discuss health issues. Does this mean they won’t meet the descriptor?
Online consultation is not picking up the phone. It’s writing into an online forum and then the doctors decide if you need an appointment or not.
I have read that it is quite a contentious descriptor and tribunals avoid it at all costs. And that it shouldn’t be about simple tasks you can do easily but more complex ones.
Any advice would be great.
I have read your guide but I’m still a little lost with this descriptor:
11. Initiating and completing personal action (which means planning, organisation, problem solving, prioritising or switching tasks).
Cannot, due to impaired mental function, reliably initiate or complete at least 2 sequential personal actions.
So how does this apply? What examples are best.
Is it:
Someone who doesn’t wash daily and needs to be reminded to do this due to depression/anxiety
Someone who can’t leave the house to go shopping, so someone has to do the shopping for them
Someone who doesn’t cook their main meals with fresh ingredients, someone does their cooking
Someone who doesn’t start or complete household tasks, or starts them but doesn’t complete them due to fatigue and depression
Someone who needs help paying their rent and bills, going through what’s needed to be paid etc.
Also: what if the person despite all of the above can make an online consultation with a doctor to discuss health issues. Does this mean they won’t meet the descriptor?
Online consultation is not picking up the phone. It’s writing into an online forum and then the doctors decide if you need an appointment or not.
I have read that it is quite a contentious descriptor and tribunals avoid it at all costs. And that it shouldn’t be about simple tasks you can do easily but more complex ones.
Any advice would be great.
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2 years 3 months ago #274142 by Gordon
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Taking a strict view of your list, it isn't really any of them as you have ignored an important aspect of the activity, that it must be in regard to "2 sequential personal actions". which none of your examples cover.
Let me try and give you an example in regard to cooking which I hope you can still understand even if you do not currently cook. So breaking the activity down into tasks you might have.
1. Choosing which meal you are going to prepare and cook, maybe selecting a recipe.
2. Preparing the ingredients as required.
3. Cooking the ingredients in the correct order and for the required time.
4. Checking the food is cooked safely.
5. Plating the meal.
6. Making sure the kitchen is left in a safe state, for example; hobs and oven are turned off.
Remember, activities 11-17 must be based on mental health issues so your suggestion of being unable to complete the cleaning due to exhaustion, even if you expand it to multiple tasks is unlikely to score.
Also, your example of going shopping would be covered in specifically in another activity you may be able to score there but not here. However, that activity will not help you gain LCWRA.
Gordon
Taking a strict view of your list, it isn't really any of them as you have ignored an important aspect of the activity, that it must be in regard to "2 sequential personal actions". which none of your examples cover.
Let me try and give you an example in regard to cooking which I hope you can still understand even if you do not currently cook. So breaking the activity down into tasks you might have.
1. Choosing which meal you are going to prepare and cook, maybe selecting a recipe.
2. Preparing the ingredients as required.
3. Cooking the ingredients in the correct order and for the required time.
4. Checking the food is cooked safely.
5. Plating the meal.
6. Making sure the kitchen is left in a safe state, for example; hobs and oven are turned off.
Remember, activities 11-17 must be based on mental health issues so your suggestion of being unable to complete the cleaning due to exhaustion, even if you expand it to multiple tasks is unlikely to score.
Also, your example of going shopping would be covered in specifically in another activity you may be able to score there but not here. However, that activity will not help you gain LCWRA.
Gordon
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2 years 3 months ago #274185 by Anxious Anonymous
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What other examples can you think of then? I have ADHD too so struggle with planning and organisation. So I’m wondering what other examples would fit this LCWRA descriptor.
You gave one example as cooking. What other examples should be included in this LCWRA descriptor.
You gave one example as cooking. What other examples should be included in this LCWRA descriptor.
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2 years 3 months ago #274235 by Gordon
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My example was to get you to think about the detail that is being asked about and the connection from one task to the next, you need to come up with your own examples and explain why you cannot complete them and why.
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My example was to get you to think about the detail that is being asked about and the connection from one task to the next, you need to come up with your own examples and explain why you cannot complete them and why.
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2 years 3 months ago #274266 by Anxious Anonymous
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So what are ‘personal actions’ - please define this for me as the booklets mention doctors appointments, cooking, cleaning etc all things someone with mental health problems struggle with…
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2 years 3 months ago #274281 by Gordon
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They are actions that you take! I'l do one more example for you but you really need to be doing this for yourself!
So for a Doctor's appointment, you need to check when you are free, phone the surgery for an appointment making sure it is for a time and date you are free on, record the date of the appointment in a diary or something similar that you check on a regular basis, book transport if you need it. On the day, dress for leaving the house, you might want to consider whether you need to wash or bathe first, be ready in time to go out. Do you need to take medication before going out, do you need to eat or even avoid eating? Are there things you need to take with you to the appointment? Do you need to write down a list of things to discuss with the GP?
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They are actions that you take! I'l do one more example for you but you really need to be doing this for yourself!
So for a Doctor's appointment, you need to check when you are free, phone the surgery for an appointment making sure it is for a time and date you are free on, record the date of the appointment in a diary or something similar that you check on a regular basis, book transport if you need it. On the day, dress for leaving the house, you might want to consider whether you need to wash or bathe first, be ready in time to go out. Do you need to take medication before going out, do you need to eat or even avoid eating? Are there things you need to take with you to the appointment? Do you need to write down a list of things to discuss with the GP?
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