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1 year 11 months ago #277247 by Herbicat
Hi, I'm confused about how I fit into the descriptors for communicating, reading, engaging with others. I have M.E./C.F.S. and the main reason I am unable to do any of these things most of the time are the physical limitations of my condition... fatigue, post exertional malaise and the increase in all my symptoms following energy expenditure due to talking, mixing, listening, thinking. I also get brain fog but I don't feel that's my main issue. Do pain and fatigue and the impact on your overall health count with the DWP or are they looking for cognitive impairment/mental health on these questions? I find taking in written material or processing information exhausting and it takes me several days to recover from socialising but I wasn't sure if this counted.

thanks.

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1 year 11 months ago #277254 by Gary
Hi Herbicat

Thank you for your question; When applying for PIP, it is not so much the condition per se that the DWP is interested in, but how that condition/s impacts a claimant's daily life and mobility as set out in the PIP criteria. We are not assessors or medical professionals, so cannot give a view on what you will get and at what level. Two people can have identical conditions but be given different awards.

Our guide to PIP claims and reviews goes through each question highlighting important issues that you need to consider in your answers and giving some sample answers; benefitsandwork.co.uk/guides-for-claimants/pip

PIP is not awarded because of the condition but rather the limitations that result and prevent a claimant from completing a range of everyday activities.

Read about the reliability element in the guide - if you cannot do something:

• Safely – in a fashion that is unlikely to cause harm to themselves or to another person.
• To a necessary and acceptable standard – given the nature of the activity.
• Repeatedly – as often as is reasonably required.
• In a reasonable time period – no more than twice as long as a person without a physical or mental health condition would take to carry out the activity.

then you should not be considered able to do the activity.

The fact that you can’t do the activity safely, to an acceptable standard, repeatedly or in a reasonable time, means you can’t do it at all for the purposes of the descriptors.

To answer your question, you need to keep a day diary recording how you feel on a day to day basis, you ask ''does pain and fatigue and the impact on your overall health count with the DWP or are they looking for cognitive impairment/mental health on these questions?' the answer is yes they should look at everything, remember it is not your condition they are looking at but how your condition affects you.

Two people with the same condition can be affected differently, take long covid for instance, no two people suffer with the same effect. Check out our guide for help; benefitsandwork.co.uk/guides-for-claimants/pip

Gary

Nothing on this board constitutes legal advice - always consult a professional about specific problems

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1 year 10 months ago #277309 by Herbicat
Thanks Gary.

I had my telephone assessment and was going through the assessor's report and she had ignored the pain and fatigue reasons and said because I had a degree I had no cognitive impairment so she discounted my actual difficulties, that's why I was confused. I didn't know whether to argue it but it sounds like I have a fair case to if pain and fatigue are valid reasons for struggling.

Many thanks.

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1 year 10 months ago #277335 by denby
Dear Herbicat, just a thought, WHEN did you get your degree? If it was some time ago it has no relevance to difficulties on the PIP descriptor list that you have to have had for 3 months past, have now and expect to continue for 9 months. Does it?
If I am right this should be pointed out forcefully to them.
After all, look at Caroline Coster, who I used to know. When I knew her her hobby was sewing for charity. People's lives change. Assessors need to be made to grasp this.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-53551673
Best wishes,
Denby

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1 year 10 months ago #277803 by Herbicat
Thanks Denby,

My degree was 30 years ago before any of my health conditions began. It is illogical... I think the reason they use it is to ascertain whether there is a learning disability or cognitive impairment. They don't seem to accept that M.E. has a cognitive element to it which can appear at any point later in life.

thank you!.
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