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Managed Migration to UC from ESA- Permitted Work

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3 days 14 hours ago #297924 by LeedsRhino75
Hi all.

I'm migrating to UC from ESA (Support Group) but I've been doing Permitted Work with a mental health charity.

The work has been within the boundaries that are in place and has never gone over the hours/pay thresholds.

I'm just looking at the form to make a claim for UC and there is a question about whether I'm employed, self-employed or unemployed.

If I'm doing Permitted Work (which isn't regular and is akin to a Zero Hours Contract i.e. I only work the hours when and if they need me. I'm Bank Agency staff) do I state I'm employed or unemployed as there no regular commitment to work?

Also, should I write in my journal that I'm doing Permitted Work?

Thanks,
Simon
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3 days 11 hours ago #297929 by David
Hi SimonJones75,

Firstly, I need to say that we do not recommend using your real name as a user name in the forum for internet security reasons.

I need some more information about your work.... do you pay income tax ? Did you at any time agree a Zero Hour contract with the person who employs and pays you ?

David

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3 days 11 hours ago #297939 by trb10
There is no such thing as permitted work on UC but you have a monthly work allowance of £673 if you have no housing costs paid through UC and £404 if you do. Anything over those thresholds will see a reduction of £55p off your UC for every £1 earnt.
You are technically employed even if its on an ad hoc basis so will have to say you are employed. They will pull your earnings every month from HMRC whom your employer will report your earnings to .
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3 days 10 hours ago #297942 by David
Hi trb10,

Thanks for the information on the UC Work Allowance.
As far as employment status is concerned it unfortunately is not as straightforward as you make out.
Have a read of the ACAS leaflet on employment-
Agency workers--An agency worker could be an employee, worker or self-employed.
acas.org.uk/employment-status

David

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3 days 9 hours ago #297946 by Anneb
I've asked this same question to both a welfare rights organisation and the Citizens Advice Help to Claim line as my son does 4 hours per week Supported Permitted Work under ESA. For the UC claim form I have to tick the Employed box. In the Journal I will explain that it's supported permitted work which is therapeutic.
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3 days 9 hours ago #297947 by David
Hi Anneb,

Thanks for that information.

David

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