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USING RECORDING OF ATOS MEDICAL FOR APPEAL

  • fedup90
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12 years 7 months ago #87241 by fedup90
I am helping my brother with his ESA appeal. He took a secret recording device into the ATOS medical with him. The Atos report totally ignores his reply for one section of the medical and thus no points were awarded for this section , which resulted in him failing. I will type up a transcript of what he actually said for this particular part of the medical and put the pertinent part of the tape on a CD as well of the beginning of the tape where the ATOS doctor introduces himself by name.

Has anyone else presented this type of info to a Tribunial before? I would imagine most people have been recording their ATOS so called medicals for sometime now as it is so easy to do and ATOS have such a bad reputation.

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12 years 7 months ago #87243 by Gordon
Fedup

As of the current date, I am not aware of anybody presenting "recorded" evidence of their medical to a Tribunal, that is not to say that it hasn't happened, just that I have not seen it reported anywhere.

As there is no precedent for the inclusion of this type of evidence, I can only advise on what I believe will be required.

So I would expect you, in order for Natural Justice to be seen to be done, to have to provide the whole recording rather than edited excerpts, to allow the DWP to rebutt any comments that might be made.

Anything you want the panel to look at needs to have been transcribed in advance and made available to all parties (through the Tribunal Service), I think it unlikely in the extreme that the panel will listen to the the tape on the day of the hearing.

The DWP may challenge the admissability of this evidence, whether it is accepted or not is at the discretion of the panel, although you can argue that in the cause of Natural Justice, that it should be accepted.

You need to be aware that the DWP will be entitled to use their own "excerpts" to prove a point in exactly the same way as your brother intends, this may be to his disadvantage.

Remember, the court is more interested in whether your brother meets the ESA criteria, than looking at why the DWP and ATOS say he doesn't, so don't ignore this aspect of his case and don't be surprised if the Tribunal are not overly interested in looking at your additional evidence.

Gordon

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12 years 7 months ago #87263 by cdcdi1911
Replied by cdcdi1911 on topic Re:USING RECORDING OF ATOS MEDICAL FOR APPEAL
Hi Fedup90

One thing you and your brother may wish to consider is, prior to submitting a transcript or recording, state in a letter or submission that you have a recording of the assessment and that you are happy to disclose a copy to the DWP and tribunal upon request. You can then quote extracts of the recording when challenging evidence and only go to the trouble of typing a transcript if it becomes necessary. You always have the option of later submitting the recording regardless of whether it is requested.

Good luck

Derek

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12 years 7 months ago #87264 by Jim Allison BSc, Inst LE, MBIM; MA (Consumer Protection & Social Welfare Law)
Replied by Jim Allison BSc, Inst LE, MBIM; MA (Consumer Protection & Social Welfare Law) on topic Re:USING RECORDING OF ATOS MEDICAL FOR APPEAL
Hi,

Sorry, but Jim isn't well today and I can't get in the forum with my own log in, so using Jim's until I get mine sorted.

All posts on recording medicals can be found easily by a simple search, which regretfully members seem unwilling or unable or can't be bothered to use ??????????

See : Recording Medicals

Best wishes.

Pat :kiss:

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12 years 7 months ago #87280 by Jim Otram
Replied by Jim Otram on topic Re:USING RECORDING OF ATOS MEDICAL FOR APPEAL
Fed up. If I may say so, Gordon is right that there is –so far – no ('legally reported') precedent as regards the admission of covertly recorded evidence into proceedings before a benefits tribunal.

However, with respect to JimA's stand-in, in my view, that is all the more reason why we should compare notes, fully and on a detailed an ongoing basis - partcularly now that the DWP has admitted that covert recordings are not illegal – as to how such evidence is treated in practice.

There was an employment tribunal case which has indeed been noted at this site before, which suggested that a complete transcript i.e. of the entire recording should be submitted at the earliest possible date, together with the offer of a copy of the full recording itself. For many claimants that might represent too onerous a requirement, I feel, but if you can you should, must be the advice on the law as it stands.

I, for one, would be very glad if you would update here as to how you get on. One should not mistake a thoroughly discussed situation for a clear and practical resolution of it. I don't have the answers but seek them.

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12 years 7 months ago #87281 by slugsta
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