The DWP have finally stated that people over state pension age “will not be affected by the proposed changes” to personal independence payment (PIP) set out in the Pathways To Work Green Paper.  However, questions still remain.

Ever since the Green Paper was published there has been a lack of clarity about whether pension age PIP claimants would be caught by the PIP 4-point rule.  Although the Green Paper made reference to the “working-age PIP caseload” there was no explicit statement that pension age claimants would be exempt.

It is the case that, once you reach state pension age, your award will usually become an ongoing award.  Whilst this means your PIP award does not have an end date, it doesn’t mean it will never be checked.

Instead, you are likely to have an award review every 10 years, according to a statement made by Amber Rudd – the then secretary of state for work and pensions – in May 2019.

But this could lead to a situation where claimants could lose their award at the age of say 76.

In an attempt to settle the matter, Labour MP Neil Duncan-Jordan asked the secretary of state in a written question:

“. . . what assessment she has made on the potential impact of the measure set out in the Pathways to Work: Reforming Benefits and Support to Get Britain Working Green Paper, published on 18 March 2025 on PIP claimants of retirement age.”

DWP disability minister Stephen Timms answered:

 “Our intention is that the new eligibility requirement in Personal Independence Payment (PIP), in which people must score a minimum of four points in one daily living activity to be eligible for the daily living component, will apply to new claims and award reviews from November 2026, subject to parliamentary approval. In keeping with existing policy, people over State Pension Age are not routinely fully reviewed and will not be affected by the proposed changes.”

This does seem to suggest that claimants above state pension age are not being targeted by the DWP.  But it does leave several unanswered questions.

The first is just why this was not made explicit in the Green Paper, when it was clearly going to be a matter of enormous concern.

The second is what does “not routinely fully reviewed” mean?  In fact, thousands of claimants over pension age do have a planned award review after they reach pension age. 

In the year to January 2025, 12,300 pension age PIP claimants had a planned award review.  It is not clear why these happened or whether they will continue after November 2026.

In addition, 19,238 pension age PIP claimants had a change of circumstances review in the same period.

It is possible to move from the standard to the enhanced rate of PIP after state pension age by asking for a change of circumstances review, if your needs increase. 

However, if a claimant does not have any 4-point descriptors then there is nothing in the minister’s answer to guarantee that they would not run the risk of losing their daily living award altogether if they asked for a review after November 2026.

As with so much about the Green Paper, there is an impression of ideas being cobbled together after publication.  This impression was reinforced by a separate parliamentary answer, in which Timms wrote:

 “Some information on the impacts of the Pathways to Work Green Paper was published alongside the Spring Statement and can be found at this link: Pathways to Work: Reforming Benefits and Support to Get Britain Working Green Paper - GOV.UK. More information on the impacts will be published in due course, a further programme of analysis to support development of the proposals in the Green Paper will be developed and undertaken in the coming months.”

Nonetheless, this news will come as a welcome relief for pension age PIP claimants.

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  • Thank you for your comment. Comments are moderated before being published.
    · 5 hours ago
    https://www.bigissue.com/opinion/labour-benefit-cuts-empathy-poverty/

    Please take a look at this above article.
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      · 2 hours ago
      @Dave Reform and the Tories will just continue the anti-disabled "crusade", they're all in it together on this.
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      · 3 hours ago
      @Dave Also, the news of the benefit cuts seems to have taken a back seat in the media. 
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    · 5 hours ago
    Pick, I know we've discussed previously Angela Raynor + which way she will vote.

    Listen to this: A junior minister has come out to reassure the public that Angela Raynor + Rachel Reeves are still good friends, apparently after they had a little disagreement. Pardon? Since when do junior ministers rush out to reassure the public everything in fine, just over a little disagreement that wasn't even known.
    Could this be something to do with this green paper? 
    It's no secret that Reeves wants these cuts: it's been reported that Raynor has threatened to resign if these cuts happen.
    In yesterday newspaper it was reported that Tony Blair just about stopped Raynor from resigning after she was asked to do something, that she would have failed.
    There is more going on to this than we are allowed to see.

    It's been said about 30 MPs have publicly said they will vote against these cuts when the bill is being voted on in parliament.
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      · 2 hours ago
      @Dave i dont trust any of them in this government they al out for no 1 themselves
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      · 4 hours ago
      @rtbcpart2 And here was me thinking they’d fallen out over something important likely to affect millions.
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      · 4 hours ago
      @Dave Raynor and Reeves fell out over Rach getting Dorney Wood and Angela was fobbed off with some flat in town.

      It was the home building target the deputy pm felt she could not achieve.
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    · 9 hours ago
    Has anyone heard anything about the virtual consultation meeting next Tuesday?  I'm signed up but no information has come through about how to join the conversation? 
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      · 3 hours ago
      @Slb Knowing how inept the government is, you probably won't hear nowt before Monday evening.
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    · 1 days ago
    I have an award until 2034 as I am state pension age when we all transition over to the new pip system in 2029 will I get reassessed again or will that happen at the award end date 
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    · 1 days ago
    So am I right in saying that if you have a 10yr award from say April 2025 which will go to 2035 what ever changes are made points wise you will not be reassessed if you are over state pension age even if you have not scored 4 points in any descriptor on your award from April 2025 and will not be reassessed again until your award ends in2035 unless your circumstances change.can someone clarify 
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      · 3 hours ago
      @Adrian That's the way it's coming across. Just a light review when the award period ends.

      Although be ready for them to change the rules again.
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    · 1 days ago
    Please don’t ever vote for this government again.
    They con you for there vote! Then screw you over, don’t care about us.
    They will promise us the world for there vote..
    But then when it comes to there promises they will kick us down again. Believe me this government will become worse as time goes by.
    My heart bleeds for all us people who will be affected by what they are doing.
    Please do not keep them in government as they will wreck our country and take the people with them
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      · 2 hours ago
      @😊😊😊 @😊😊😊 definitely no voting Labour and never trust them again they conned us to vote for them. i voting Greens in on Thursday
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    · 2 days ago
    just a reminder that State Pension is NOT a Benefit!!!!
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      · 3 hours ago
      @WorkshyLayabout Should read Pensions Act 2014, not 2016.
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      · 6 hours ago
      @HBS The State Pension IS a contributory benefit.
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      · 7 hours ago
      @HBS Sorry, but it ips a benefit in the eyes of the law. It has been considered a benefit by DWP since Cameron was the PM.
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      · 13 hours ago
      @James Yes we pay the (National) insurance premiums and one of the things they should cover is the eventuality of our living beyond working (state pension) age. Raising the state pension age from what we were told it would be when we started paying those premiums represents breaking the terms of a contract in my view. Of course our not living beyond pension age as it rises is part of the swindle.

      Insurance schemes are so often a con. "You may get less than you pay in" as they say, and when it's the government running the scheme we have no recourse to terms and conditions or redress. With employers paying higher NI contributions they can't afford, it's going to cost us all more for less in the end
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      · 16 hours ago
      @HBS It is a benefit, this rumour doesnt help matters, as it makes it seem like only working age people claim benefits.
      On government budget sheets, it is also listed under benefit expenditure. 
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    · 2 days ago
    According to the Express, Reeves now has the Triple Lock in the crosshairs.

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      · 2 hours ago
      @Bert @Bert they definitely go plenty of spare money to pay mps 9% pay rise 
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      · 3 hours ago
      @The Dogmother Very appropriate.

      Maybe someone will be kind enough to throw us a meaty bone.

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      · 9 hours ago
      @WorkshyLayabout I'm def in The Dog house, because that's the name of my house. 😆
      Some of us may end up.in the s*** house too.The way things are heading.
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      · 13 hours ago
      @Bert Some are in the rich house, some are in the poor house and some are in the dog house.

      Let's plan on the government not doing what happened to the Greeks and their savings.
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      · 16 hours ago
      @Moose They wont touch that, thats the right wing press trying to take advantage of the mess Labour have themselves in.
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    · 2 days ago
    Maybe they should take into consideration the amount of money that they waste fighting people who clearly deserve their awards. The amount they must pay the Tribunal service each year must be huge. Maybe they should just be honest and give people the awards that they clearly should have been given. The DWP are aware of this but they rely on people being to scared or their Mental Health is to frail to actually to attend a tribunal. This is such a shameful way to treat disabled people they should be ashamed of themselves. It’s almost like 
    they get a gold star if they manage to take away someone’s benefit. Maybe not a gold star a bonus perhaps !!!! Disgraceful
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      · 22 hours ago
      @Teresa Joyce Rumour has it they actually do get a bonus if they deny someone an award, which would be a double expense if the claimant were then to win at tribunal!
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    · 2 days ago
    My post below was  trimmed! Here it is:

    To my mind the government dropped a major clanger making winter fuel allowance dependent on pension credit. In an ideal world it would be dependent on state pension alone. However, if they'd wanted to limit it they should have linked it to pip as well as state pension, especially as pensioners are not to have their pip cut, then all those people who applied for pension credit because of the winter fuel allowance would not have done so.

    Governments have created whole extra layers of spending because they have not got to grips with how welfare functions. Rachel Reeves ENCOURAGED pensioners to apply for pension credit in order to qualify for the winter fuel allowance - hey guys, I'm taking this little bit of pocket money from you (they like to call benefits pocket money, don't they), but you could get SO much more. Have a warm home, have a hot chocolate, have marshmallows.
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    · 2 days ago
    Let’s try again…cut off…
    Disabled People Against Cuts are organising this:

    Mass Lobby of MPs on disability Benefit Cuts 21.05.25
    12 noon until 4pm
    Westminster Hall Parliament

    Please contact your MP & ask for a meeting on 21.05.25

    iI couldn’t copy the link to the details. I’m sure details can be found on the DPAC site, here:

    https://dpac.uk.net
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    · 2 days ago

    12 noon until 4pm
    Westminster Hall Parliament

    Please contact your MP & ask for a meeting on 21.05.25


    I couldn’t copy the link to the details. I’m sure details can be found on the DPAC site, here:
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    · 2 days ago
    I have placed this link here as I think it is related to the cuts and services and this young lad certainly deserves mention as one of this Labour government's victims. please sign and share

    https://chng.it/jjJwyhSBMT

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      · 1 days ago
      @SpasticusAutisticus I am so very sorry to hear of your loss.
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      · 2 days ago
      @James singed and shared it
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      · 2 days ago
      @James I agree with you. It is heartbreaking and we saw too much of it under IDS. A family member had too little help and took his own life in 2013. It was, we were told, a direct result of a stuff up by the Student Loan Company who paid his loan to him while he was too ill to study. DWP then did a review and the stress was too much. It hasn't really left us and as a disabled person I saw how it affected his whole family. For me, every contact with the DWP is a reminder that makes it even harder to function.
      And there will be so many more if the Fraud and Error Bill uses algorithms to search our bank accounts? Why should the poorest and most vulnerable people pay the ultimate price for their utter incompetence?
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      · 2 days ago
      @James Thanks for sharing this. Signed.
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    · 2 days ago
    To my mind the government dropped a major clanger making winter fuel allowance dependent on  pension credit. In an ideal world it would be dependent on state pension alone. However, if they'd wanted to limit it they should have linked it to pip as well.as state pension
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    · 2 days ago
    @Anon, I can't find the pip test you referred to with a three tier scoring system. Where did you get that?
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    · 2 days ago
    Timms response is as clear as mud. All it tells me is they could still be reviewed and there is no guarantee that a reduction in.points upon review won't effect them.
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      · 16 hours ago
      @Jamie On the flip side, it is good news for those on light touch reviews I think, as long as they dont say a change of circumstances they might be ok.
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    · 2 days ago
    Thank you so much for keeping bang on the news as it happens. And interpretations etc. only place I’ve found any help at all ..as disabled 75 plus this has to be life changing positive news for  thousands like me. An indication from the government from the start would have been humane…I truly despise them for the handling … they need to act but there are ways and means. 
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      · 1 days ago
      @Anonymous Hasn't it already happened? How many elderly people or their families are been forced to sell their homes to pay for a loved ones care. 
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      · 2 days ago
      @gingin @gingin Its simple to answer Labour no longer represent working class they now only represent Labour mps 
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      · 2 days ago
      @SpasticusAutisticus voting Green in local elections. Will never Labour again they coned us
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      · 2 days ago
      @gingin Means testing pip would be done unfairly ,it's not fair to those who saved all their lives, have working partners,or withdrew pension lump sums just before it happened, the 16k rule is way out of date and they would trap so many people into losing all their support just the same and being forced to live off their own life savings until it was all gone,it wouldn't bother the wealthy claimants but trap everyone else in poverty just the same as these proposals do,I know because I'm one who is set to lose 12k a year under these proposals but also someone who's partner withdrew his pension lump sum last year in February before any of this was said,it's not expendable money,it's his pension, he has no annuity with it either so no monthlypayment,either way we're totally screwed, beyond mad is an understatement 
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      · 2 days ago
      @gingin I voted Labour for Corbyn, but it will be a cold day in hell before I 'd  vote for them again. I'd sooner vote Green or even Tory. The ex DPP and his current crop of drug using vermin are worse than Thatcher and merely proved how I have always felt, though I won't ever regret giving Corbyn my vote. 
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    · 3 days ago
    Labour have handled things appallingly, but the fact is it was at least partly the tories' plan to link pip to the uc health element that kicked off a rush to claim pip and caused this crisis. In addition, with the state pension age raised and rising, pip was a way to claw back some lost income and not have to struggle on working.

    Then with the winter fuel allowance - a trivial amount in the scheme of things - being tied to pension credit, many over state pension age who were eligible for pension credit - not a trivial amount- but who would never have claimed it, did so, and added to the welfare bill.

    How is it governments are so short sighted? It's obvious if you snatch away someone's income they'll look for alternatives. Politicians have made this mess and then they've scapegoated the people who are victims of it. 
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    · 3 days ago
    So the government has changed their mind about pensioners. After taking their winter allowance of them. The government is obviously thinking about votes also after making this change why not do the severe life long conditions like neurology diseases with no cure and medical evidence to back this up and put their minds at rest give these people who suffer every minute of the day  give them dignity they deserve come on government wake up and ask disabled people how best to reform the green paper thank you fir reading my post 
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      · 2 days ago
      @Diceman24 My last posting was cut short, why?

      I'll try writing it again.

      Thinking of their votes? We got some news for you, Labour is now becoming unelectable.
      Rachel Reeves is on a one woman mission to destroy the Labour Party.
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      · 2 days ago
      @Diceman24 Thinking of their votes? Got some news for you: 

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    · 3 days ago
    I think I recall Liz Kendall saying in the House that the most severely disabled will not be subject to review where there is no chance of health improvement. I might be wrong and guess we will just have to wait and see what will be in a Bill they intend to bring forward.
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      · 16 hours ago
      @Sam Sam, notice the word "most", they love to use that word, as "most could be a 100k people, or it could be as low as 1 person, its a very political friendly way of saying "some" people, but without it sounding like they cutting things.
      ESA e.g. was the "most" severely sick would be protected.
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      · 1 days ago
      @Pearse English. @Pearse English me last posting disappeared.
      i wouldnt trust a word she says. when Liz Kendall stand up in commons to say of the cuts on disability benefits she smile like it funy
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      · 3 days ago
      @Sam And not many doctors will sign a piece of paper confirming that someone has no chance of health improvement, as treatments are deemed unlikely to provide clinical benefit or prolonged survival.
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      · 3 days ago
      @Pearse English. Trouble is they get to decide what severely disabled means. I'm assuming anyone who isn't is a coma is not severe enough 

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