The DWP published a round-up of responses to the Pathways to Work Green Paper yesterday and also made it clear that the proposed white paper has been dropped, as it moves from an all out assault on benefits to guerrilla warfare tactics.

The Green Paper consultation was heavily criticised at the time because it did not ask questions about some of the most important issues, such as the proposed personal independence payment (PIP) 4 point rule or the abolition of the work capability assessment (WCA)

As a result, of the 47,983 replies received, only 14,763 people responded directly to the DWP’s questions.  Instead, 33,200 answered questions not in the consultation, preferring to use surveys produced by three other organisations.

The responses to the consultation were broadly in line with what readers might have expected:  opposition to PIP being cut, support for increased funding for the NHS to reduce waiting times, support conversations to be voluntary, opposition to preventing the health element of universal credit being paid to people under 22 years age.

Perhaps the most unexpected part of the government’s response was this statement, under “Next Steps”:

“Work continues to develop policy across the other measures set out in the Green Paper. As part of this work, we are working closely with disabled people, the organisations that represent them, and other experts, including through the Timms Review and our Collaboration Committees. We are now carefully considering the responses to the consultation alongside other evidence, and we will share details of our proposals in due course.”

What this very strongly suggests is that Labour have given up on the idea of a White Paper aimed at putting all the proposals into a single piece of legislation.  Instead, it appears that they are going to try to get measures through in a piecemeal fashion, possibly sometimes using secondary legislation, which doesn’t require a vote in the Commons but is more vulnerable to legal challenges after it becomes law.

So, it would seem that the backbench rebellion over PIP has put ministers off the idea of launching another full scale attack on benefits.  Instead, they are going to switch to guerilla tactics, choosing smaller individual targets which they believe will be easier to achieve.

Whether this strategy will be any more successful is something we will discover over the coming months and years.

You can read the Government response to the Pathways to Work consultation here.

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    · 15 days ago
    I have just been awarded daily living component and wondered if anyone knows what 'for an ongoing period' means? This in relation to the length of the award.
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      · 7 days ago
      @John At my next PIP Review I will have been receiving Enhanced Both for 10 years+. I really hope they give me an ongoing award, or at least a ten year one, which would take me over state retirement age. Not counting on this at all though… 
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      · 9 days ago
      @Heather When I recently got an "ongoing ten year" award they gave me a date when I will be contacted regarding a light touch review. 
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      · 12 days ago
      @Jen I think it is ongoing, but a ‘light touch’ review after 10 years.
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      · 13 days ago
      @Heather Ongoing PIP awards have no end date. They are not routinely reassessed. They just have a light touch review every 10 years. Claimants with these awards are expected to be eligible for life. The primary purpose of light touch reviews is to check the claimant is still alive and the DWP contact details for them are up to date. A light touch review form is not a standard reassessment form. The light touch review form is basically have your health conditions changed, have your daily living needs changed, have your mobility needs changed. With the option of ticking no change. If no change is ticked the review is rubber stamped for another 10 years. If a change is indicated it may trigger a reassessment, for those with ongoing awards this rarely result in a reduction or loss of PIP.

      Disability Minister Timms who is heading the PIP assessment system review due to report in Autumn next year. Has previously repeatedly said that those with ongoing also known as indefinite awards will not be affected by any changes in the PIP assessment system, as they are not routinely reassessed just light touch reviewed. And has previously said repeatedly that he would look at ways to protect those with ongoing awards who report their condition getting worse who are reassessed.

      Ongoing also called indefinitely awards are typically awarded to:
      People who are being reassessed as they approach state pension age or whose next assessment will be after they have reached state pension age. Whose health condition is not temporary not expected to get better.
      People who are working age who have previously been repeatedly given enhanced rate long dated PIP awards or are being transferred from high rate DLA life-time awards.
      In theory anybody whose health condition is for life and not going to improve regardless of award level. In reality it is usually given for high rate awards after previous multiple long dated awards, despite this not being a requirement. So many people technically eligible for these awards do not get them. 
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      · 14 days ago
      @Heather The length of award is meaningless unless awarded by tribunal. They can review your claim long before it ends or extend it until they review it long after the award was supposed to end. Just ignore award length, hold onto any medical evidence but try not to worry until they contact you for review.
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    · 16 days ago
    Seriously Lee Anderson doesn't have a clue the way he went on about the dangerously unsafe 3 wheel invacars.
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      · 13 days ago
      @Annatar Long time no type
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      · 14 days ago
      @Copycat Neil your right I'm the Dogmother.
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      · 14 days ago
      @Annatar Yes I am the original Neil Cook not the one who has swiped my name, sorry for any confusion. Are you dogmother? Sorry if not. I also meant have not gave, oops
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      · 14 days ago
      @Copycat You'll be fine , just tell them the truth about how your disability affects you day to day and also record it interview as well , ask their permission first 
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      · 14 days ago
      @Copycat Neil are you copycat
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    · 17 days ago
    I had to visit A&E today due to a chest infection. I have incurable cancer and currently receiving chemotherapy/immunotherapy treatment.
    When I was discharged the A&E department initially refused patient transport even though that's how I got to the hospital. I am unable to use public transport due to my illness and disabilities.
    The point I'm trying to illustrate is that sick and disabled people are routinely disbelieved and their conditions are minimised, even by the health service.
    I got in touch with my medical team who sorted it all out for me. But many sick and disabled people don't have that backup.
    The DWP routinely minimise and disbelieve disabled people. I think this is a social attitude that needs to be addressed as it allows Labour and Reform lie about us and dismiss our needs.
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      · 14 days ago
      @Spectralis That is disgusting behaviour. The same happened to me. I had been brought by blue light ambulance to another hospital who could operate next day on me for a continual nose bleed that would not stop. The staff were shouting 'What a nuisance I was'. No joking I was put in a bed, shoved in a cupboard that was just big enough for the bed. I was given no food/drink. I had none of my tablets with me. My husband was rushing as fast as he could from Penrith to Kent. Next day I was sent home with a really  high B/P. I then had a stroke. In the ambulance outside my home with me in it. The paramedic was phoning the local hospital {I can see it from my home}. I overheard the person on the other end shouting 'Does she really need to come in. ' All their lovely adverts on TV did not apply in my case. I ended up next day going home spending 11 months unable to walk. I have many illnesses you cannot see. Thankfully I attend Guy's and St Thomas's hospital who took me in and I had the best care. Unfortunately since Covid things have changed a lot. I cannot understand how they can let sick people out in the dark to get home how they like. You done the right things . I didn't vote Labour in Election just gone because I had a feeling they were going to go for Disabled/Older people. Easy targets. I voted Green instead. I didn't feel like voting, because no matter what party is voted in. They hope disabled/elderly people will disappear.
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      · 16 days ago
      @AUDHD TBI PTSD NARC ABUSE SUR I'm sorry to hear that your GP is not supportive. I think many of us have had similar experiences. I have found that I often understand my own condition better than the GP so I try to arm myself with all the information I can to hopefully make them take me seriously. 
      It does help to have specialist medical support if possible. That often over-rides any ignorance or misinformation a GP may hold.
      The new NHS App is an absolute nightmare to use. If anything, it serves as a firewall to protect GP's and stop non/disabled people accessing medical care and support. I think this is a scandal and is underreported. On Trustpilot there are almost all one star reviews. This atrocious app will lead to deaths and severe illnesses due to it being not fit for purpose. Especially among us disabled people.
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      · 16 days ago
      @Spectralis Agreed. The gaslighting and invalidation has put me off seeing my GP completely. Box-ticking sociopaths.
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    · 17 days ago
    I will be glad when the Budget is unveiled,as I'm ruddy scared to death.
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    · 17 days ago
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/37197840/jobless-benefit-payouts-labour/
    I just saw this article which is stressing me out what will happen to disabled people on CB ESA ?. This will leave me dependent on family for financial support and is pushing me to breaking point ?. I apologise to one and all at Benefits and Work and everyone.
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      · 1 days ago
      @John Hi I was getting housing benefits and contribution based esa they said that i was not allowed cb esa as I used to work. Tgey moved me to UC cause they said the housing benefits would no longer be paid but I had to keep the cb esa and it would be deducted from the amount I would have normally got on uc they have done that but now I am confused cause of this business with cb esa going to only be allowed for 6 to 12 months and they do say it will be at a higher rate but what happens to people like.myself who are in support group and already receiving the benefits do we stay as we are or are we going to be classed as new claimants when they say we have to go on uc it's all such a nightmare and a mess 
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      · 13 days ago
      @axab43
      When you transferred from ESA to UC you should not have been told you could keep claiming this ESA contribution based, or you could go on full Universal Credit.

      The transition for someone on Contributions based ESA with a Income based ESA top up is supposed to be:
      Income based ESA transferred to UC
      Contributions based ESA not payable as on UC, Contributions based ESA is transferred to New Style ESA which is also contributions based.
      Contributions based benefits have precedence over income based you cannot opt to not claim the contributions based and just get the income based. If the DWP has done this it is a error.

      The transition process is supposed to be.
      People just on Contributions based ESA stay as people on Contributions based ESA.
      People on Contributions based ESA plus a Income based ESA top up become people on New Style ESA contributions based plus a UC top up.
      People on just Income based ESA become people on UC.

      The panic is because contributions based benefits are not means tested. Income based benefits are. And income based benefits are means tested on household income and savings. So if someone has too much savings or investments or is owns or is part owner of a second property or has income like a works disability pension or incapacity insurance income replacement or share dividends or rental income from a property, or has a spouse with a income or savings or who owns or part owns a second home. They may not be eligible. This does not just effect rich people the savings and income thresholds are low. And it particularly hits couples if the claimant's spouse is working. 
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      · 15 days ago
      @axab43 ESA(CB) is not means tested. UC is and some claimants who claim ESA(CB) if they have savings wouldn't be entitled to UC.
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      · 15 days ago
      @claresturgeon Thank you claresturgeon .  I found the Green Paper quoted paragraph myself and it clearly states '(for new people claiming)'.  Hopefully, @John guesses correctly and they have in mind a plan to protect existing claimants in the Support Group.
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      · 15 days ago
      @John Are people on ESA now, should they not be receiving Universal Credit? I was told when I transferred over from ESA to UC,  I could keep claiming this ESA contribution based, or I could go on full Universal Credit.   If ESA stops, surely Universal Credit would be available for those who should have moved mover?

      I don't understand the panic. 
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    · 17 days ago
    The government is struggling to find ways of cutting the money it gives to disabled people.
    That's because disabled people are receiving what the law says they should. (I also understand that many don't receive what they should).
    I think that we should challenging the government on the cost 
    So, start at
    1. What is the total payout for benefits?
    2. How much is the cost of the DWP in administering this.
    I don't know the answer, but the ratio between the 2 could be very interesting.
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      · 16 days ago
      @HL They are BANKERS' stooges. Austerity is imposed by BANKS as a condition of loans to Government.  So who died for whose freedom if no vote counts as Banks are the real power?
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      · 17 days ago
      @Kevin1342 I think that’s a good idea. It would be interesting to include changes over time - is welfare spending really spiralling out of control like they say it is?

      Costs = large payments to insurance companies for assessments, tribunal costs, cost of poverty (impact of poverty on employment), cost to the individual - impact on health.
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    · 17 days ago
    In line with Labour's guerilla strategy is their propaganda about a 'fractured' society. IOW society has become split into warring groups, including disabled people, all competing for a piece of a limited economic pie.
    This is straight out of the playbook of the far right. Instead of directing anger towards the growing gap between rich and poor it tries to direct anger at the oppressed and minority groups in society.
    The best way to fight back is to link up the struggles against cuts and austerity that are really causing fragmentation in everyone's lives.
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      · 16 days ago
      @Spectralis Agreed. So why has Starmer AND the media so consistently avoided joining the dots between cause and effect by using the 'A' word - AUSTERITY. Even a page-long Jonathon Freeland article in the Guardian failed to mention it more than once, in small print near the bottom.
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    · 19 days ago
    Maybe we could club together and hire a lawyer or solicitor.
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    · 20 days ago
    Just heard this on LBC Radio regarding the Green Paper.

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    · 20 days ago
    The UK is no longer a safe country to be disabled Or ill.
    Its one attack after another, and its getting worse as t
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    · 20 days ago
    I don't think this government has many coming months, let alone years.
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      · 17 days ago
      @Neil Cook About 60% of the electorate view Reform as beyond the pale. So it depends on if they bother to vote and if they vote tactically to stop Reform. Which is why Labour talks up the threat of Reform. Rather than relying on hapy voters voting for more Labour it's election strategy looks likely to be relying on fearful voters voting for the lesser evil. That will probably not work in local elections and by-elections where there is no risk of a change of national government. But, may work at the next general election. 
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      · 17 days ago
      @James James your forgetting when have we ever had a left wing government?
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      · 17 days ago
      @James Arent Reform already polling with over 30 percent of the vote?
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      · 17 days ago
      @Neil Cook I just hope reform gets stuffed and never gets in because they seem to see us as the devil incarnate it seems
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      · 17 days ago
      @Neil Cook Reform will not get in. It is far more likely a coalition of YourParty, LibDems, and the Greens will get in. Labour have made their bed and will end up having to lay in it!
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    · 20 days ago
    Does this mean that the horrendous work capability assessment is staying?  The thought of that going was my only joy coming from all these possible changes :(
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      · 19 days ago
      @T Honestly though the WCA isn’t great it would be better to have that than the PIP assessments. If the latter determines entitlement to everything we are all in trouble, plus the PIP criteria is stricter and more corrupt. At least with the WCA disabled people stand a chance of getting some extra support even if they can’t meet the PIP criteria.
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    · 20 days ago
    They will get torn apart in any potential legal proceedings over this if it comes to it...... hopefully, as they absolutely deserve to be.
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      · 19 days ago
      @Diddy68 They should not have abandoned their original principles and become 'New Labour'
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      · 19 days ago
      @Denby Dear Person, you may not be aware that I have been using the name denby or Denby on the Benefits and Work Forum for years now. Whoever you are, I would be grateful if you could consider choosing an alternative to avoid confusion. Many thanks, Denby
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      · 20 days ago
      @Neil Cook Neil we need to adopt Guerilla tactics jungle warfare.
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      · 20 days ago
      @Neil Cook And, of course, they will get torn apart in the next General Election as well, as they also deserve. I believe in the latest opinion/voting polls, Labour are now behind the Greens. How the mighty have fallen - and have yet further to fall...
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    · 20 days ago
    Id like to take a moment to appreciate the self control of those 14,763 people, I alas failed to stick to the questions. In fact I managed to twist pretty much every question into a way of ranting about how flawed the consultation is and dangerous the whole reforms are. I did as said elsewhere have a good laugh reading the response just seeing how many others did as I did! 
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      · 20 days ago
      @Sam Raised a smile, Sam. Coloring outside the lines is a great skill!

      I found the questions very frustrating. I thought they were suggestive, and leading (to elicit a desired response), and also limiting to a very specific faecet of a topic without regard for other inter-related things such as outcomes. 
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      · 20 days ago
      @Sam I never had any intention of sticking to their useless questions. I've done quite a few of these consultations now and can't  see any point in not bypassing their restrictions. Glad to see so many people have done the same.

      Some people seem to think it's a win that there won't be a White Paper but I don't like that they are bypassing parliamentary procedure again and trying to push through these measures without legislation and scrutiny.
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