MPs are expected to vote on the  Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment Bill tomorrow whilst the secretary of state for work and pensions is unable to explain what will happen to current PIP claimants if they are reassessed after November 2026.

Vicky Foxcroft asked Kendall today (see around 16.10 on parliament tv) , “If claimants request a reassessment because of  worsening health conditions, will they be assessed under the current criteria or the new eligibility criteria?”

Kendall replied,  “As is the case now, people can request reassessment whenever they want.  For existing claimants they will remain under the new rules unless they request a reassessment until November 2026.  From November 2026 onwards, there will be that 4 point minimum.”

Aside from being almost nonsense – how can existing claimants “remain under the new rules” – Kendall’s answer does seem to say that if you are an existing claimant and you request a change of circumstances review after November 2026 your protection from the 4-point rule disappears.  

But the whole point of the protection from the 4-point rule is supposed to be that, if your award is reviewed after November 2026, you will still be under the current rules not the 4-point rule.

In which case, according to Kendall the system will be different depending on whether an existing claimant has a planned award review or a change of circumstances award review.

Whether Kendall got it wrong or this is actually the plan, the degree of confusion – and the lack of written information - just 24 hours before MPs are expected to vote on a bill which will affect millions, is extraordinary and makes a mockery of the entire process.

UPDATE:  the DWP have now apparently confirmed that Liz Kendall "misspoke" and that change of circumstances reviews for current claimants will not involve the 4-point rule after November 2026.  As we said, utter confusion and a mockery of the democratic process.

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    · 3 hours ago
    When do we start taking bets on the sh… shenanigans the DWP will pull to turn your PIP review or reassessment into a a new claim subject to the new rules?

    Accidentally closing claims?
    Didn’t receive your response in time?
    Administrative errors?
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    · 3 hours ago
    Kendall said today in parliament, "We have listened carefully," then added "in particular to disabled people and their organisations". 

    What complete disingenuous  BS, she and the government were forced to climbdown because of the rebellion, not because they listened to disabled people, in fact they were tone deaf and arrogantly dismissed the concerns of disabled groups and charities. 



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    · 4 hours ago
    HUFFPOST headline:

    “'The Dog Ate My Homework': Starmer Mocked For Claiming He Was Too Distracted To Notice Welfare Revolt”

    Says it all
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    · 4 hours ago
    Article from the guardian tonight on new amendment started by Rachael Maskell MP

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    · 5 hours ago
    Kendall Mis-Speak. Letter went to MP's from Stephen Timms this evening. Shared by contributor on Scope Charity Forum.

    DWP confirms 4-point rule won't apply to existing Pip claimants reassessed in future - after Kendall mis-speak implies otherwise.

    The Department for Work and Pensions has released a https://data.parliament.uk/DepositedPapers/Files/DEP2025-0432/DCL-Welfare_Reform.pdf that Stephen Timms has sent to MPs about the concessions on the welfare bill. It contains a Q&A, and the text of the amendments relating to Pip.

    The Q&A covers what will happen to existing Pip claimants if their claims are reassessed. It says: 

    As part of our measures to strengthen the UC and Pip bill, we will bring forward an amendment for Commons committee so that the 4-point minimum only applies to new claims. This means that no existing claimants will be subject to the 4-point requirement, including if they undergo an award review, whether planned or due to a change in circumstances. Those making a new claim after the measure comes into force (not before November 2026) will be subject to the 4-point requirement.

    Earlier in the Commons Liz Kendall seemed to the opposite, implied that existing claimants would be subject to the four-point rule if they ask for a reassessment after November 2026. (See 4.38pm.) But DWP sources have said Kendall mis-spoke, and that the situation is as set out in the DWP Q&A.

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    · 5 hours ago
    In the Update from the DWP does it mention what will happen to existing UC health element (LCWRA) claiments after 2028 when the WCA is scrapped?
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      · 4 hours ago
      @GLB
      "In the Update from the DWP does it mention what will happen to existing UC health element (LCWRA) claiments after 2028 when the WCA is scrapped?"

      I doubt it says anything about that. The legislation abolishing the WCA is due later in the year. That's when we'll find out what they're planning.

      In the absence of any statement to the contrary, my guess would be that they currently intend to reassess all existing UC health claimants using the new PIP-based criteria from 2028. However, whether this will actually happen is not at all certain. Even if they get the current bill through - and that is still not guaranteed - they will only have done so by promising that existing PIP claimants will be reassessed for PIP under the existing criteria, not the harsher criteria due to come into force in November 2026. What happens after that with the Timms review is anyone's guess, but still, they have had to promise not to subject existing PIP claimants to the new assessment criteria in order to have any chance of getting this bill through.

      If they go ahead with reassessing all existing UC health claimants for UC health using the new PIP-based criteria then a huge number of people will lose out. There are 600,000 existing UC health claimants who don't get PIP daily living - and it's highly likely that most of those 600,000 are people who, like me, don't get PIP at all. So that's 600,000 people who will lose UC health and be plunged into dire poverty. Depending on what happens with the Timms review, it's possible that a lot of existing PIP claimants could lose their PIP daily living if they're subjected to the Timms assessment. If so, that's another large number of people who would also lose their UC health. But even if we disregard that, and assume it's "only" those existing LCWRA claimants who don't get PIP daily living, that's a hell of a lot of people.

      That looks to me like precisely the sort of scenario which is likely to produce another major rebellion. You can bet your bottom dollar that if that's what the government says it wants to do there will be another major campaign of pressure on Labour MPs from their consituents,  charities, activists, etc.. In that situation the government may have to agree not to reassess existing UC health recipients for UC health using the new PIP-based system, especially as Kendall said this earlier today on the subject of a two-tier system:

      "I would say to the House, including members opposite, that our benefits system often protects existing claimants from new rates or new rules, because lives have been built around that support, and it's often very hard for people to adjust."

      It's not hard to see that statement being quoted back at her if they try to get away with not protecting existing UC health claimants from the new PIP-based criteria.

      MPs currently rebelling on the green paper now know that they have the numbers to overturn the government's huge majority if they organise. It seems to be acknowledged as a truth of Westminster that when MPs have crossed the rubicon to defy the government once, it becomes easier to rebel on subsequent votes. 

      So, if they do try to shaft us over LCWRA we will all need to man the barricades again, just as we have over the last three months.
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      · 5 hours ago
      @GLB I have NOT had the chance to look at that yet! They are causing me too much grief with migration from ESA to UC and their chaos.

      Also I am trying to keep on top of the announcements tomorrow. 

      They will probably say one thing but then have a lacuna that they can fill inlater  to rescind on their promises later.

      I HOPE WITH EVERY FIBRE OF MY BEING - THIS GOES OUR WAY TOMORROW!



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    · 6 hours ago

    The lot of them DO NOT what they are doing whatsoever! This is what I mean how could we trust their promise?

    At the moment they are causing utter chaos with the ramping up of managed migration from ESA support Group to equivalent on UC!

    There has been nothing but confusion and stress hurdled at me due to me migrating with 'out of the blue' 'UC with 'New Style ESA' attached. 

    This is what I mean they are UNABLE to cope now with the differences in claims on Managed migration from ESA to UC! 

    IF this bill proceeds forward tomorrow how the hell are they actually going to ensure that DWP staff are going to deal with the rest effectively?

    The cruel reforms that they propose NEVER SHOULD BE RUSHED it affects millions. AND THOSE WHO FOLLOW AFTER US!

    Their 'promises' sick to death of their broken promises and already shambolic systems to include the DWP 

    Now we wait and see what tomorrow brings!






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    · 6 hours ago
    I couldn't decide if she was wearing the uniform of a dental hygienist or a straightjacket. 
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      · 2 hours ago
      @Yorkie Bard Or a used tent from Glastonbury! 
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      · 3 hours ago
      @Yorkie Bard Looked like a straightjacket to me. I even said so to my parents. Very apt. Needs to be in one. The womans lost her grip on reality.

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      · 4 hours ago
      @Yorkie Bard Well we know which it ought to be.
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    · 6 hours ago
    Totally agree, B&W, it is ridiculous.

    They can't be so confused on a policy that will affect so many. 

    Irresponsible

    Scrap the bill and start again with true coproduction with those that get it
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    · 6 hours ago
    I suggest we now focus on contacting any undecided MPs - we still have time before the vote tomorrow.

    Chi Onwurah, Newcastle Central and West

    https://x.com/ChiOnwurah/status/1939678731749998921
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    · 6 hours ago
    Keir Starmer left to sweat as Labour rebels apply heat over benefit cuts.

    Labour MPs line up to demand more changes to planned benefit cuts.

    Keir Starmer is still facing a damaging rebellion after ministers admitted that 150,000 people will still be pushed into poverty by benefits reforms.

    With the prime minister’s authority on the line, his work and pensions secretary Liz Kendall unveiled amended benefits reforms in a bid to persuade Labour backbenchers not to vote down the bill in a crunch vote on Tuesday,

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    · 6 hours ago
    Still on sky

    Starmer's welfare reforms breach human rights law, says his old law firm
    The government's proposed changes to how welfare is administered would lead to "very serious breaches" of human rights law, a senior legal expert has said.

    Jamie Burton KC of Doughty Street Chambers, said the reforms would constitute "human rights violations for disabled people", and called the changes "aggressive measures", which are "regressive".

    The criticisms will have an added sting for the prime minister, as they are from the very firm he used to work for.

    Equity, the performing arts and entertainment union, commissioned the legal opinion from the firm, saying the cuts would hurt disabled performers and artists "who already struggle to make ends meet".

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      · 5 hours ago
      @Yorkie Bard I was watching earlier when more than one MP asked her if it was going to be compliant with various laws and they got a short shrift reply saying yes.

      I very much doubt that has been looked at in great depth.
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    · 6 hours ago
    On Sky soon -Timms (I can't watch it after seeing him sitting next to Mint Cake this afternoon - nodding all the time - like a nodding dog on a very long car journey).

    Politics Hub With Sophy Ridge is live from 7pm.

    Joining us tonight to discuss the government's plans for welfare is the disabilities minister Sir Stephen Timms MP.

    Also joining us are Labour MP Dawn Butler, ex-SNP MP John Nicholson, former Tory education secretary Gillian Keegan.

    Watch and follow live in the Politics Hub.

    https://news.sky.com/story/politics-latest-minister-cant-name-any-disability-groups-that-back-reforms-12593360
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    · 6 hours ago
    From sky news 

    Starmer's welfare reforms breach human rights law, says his old law firm
    The government's proposed changes to how welfare is administered would lead to "very serious breaches" of human rights law, a senior legal expert has said.
    Jamie Burton KC of Doughty Street Chambers, said the reforms would constitute "human rights violations for disabled people", and called the changes "aggressive measures", which are "regressive".
    The criticisms will have an added sting for the prime minister, as they are from the very firm he used to work for.
    Equity, the performing arts and entertainment union, commissioned the legal opinion from the firm, saying the cuts would hurt disabled performers and artists "who already struggle to make ends meet".
    The damning legal opinion comes from Starmer's old firm
    The damning legal opinion comes from Starmer's old firm
    PA
    What did the legal opinion say?
    Burton's legal assessment said the reforms "inevitably result in very serious breaches of the UK's obligations under the UNCRPD [UN Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities] and by ICESCR [the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights]".
    He wrote: "They are likely to be condemned by the treaty monitoring bodies, who have become all too familiar with very similar reforms designed to cut the welfare bill and promote work, but which ultimately result in yet further and long-standing human rights violations for disabled people."
    'No doubt' reforms are regressive
    But he also noted the system is already failing disabled people and violates the UK's human rights obligations under international law.
    The changes, therefore, will "exacerbate those violations".
    Burton added that "there can be no doubt" that the reforms are regressive, in human rights terms.
    He said this means the government will have to prove how the welfare changes don't breach human rights law.
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    · 6 hours ago
    It is now being  reported that the DWP itself has clarified the  "4   point" PIP issue, that is that this rule will  NOT apply to existing  PIPclaimant's and that Kendall "mis-spoke! " Please seethe following from the Guardin




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      · 5 hours ago
      @Mr B My comment should read I would not believe the DWP. it needs to come from Kendall herself.
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      · 5 hours ago
      @Mr B I would believe the DWP. It needs to come from Kendall herself.
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    · 6 hours ago
    DWP sources have apparently confirmed she misspoke and that the new system shall not apply to existing claimants, even at reassessment. 

    But your last point does stand nonetheless. I get that she's rattled but what on earth was she thinking?
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    · 6 hours ago
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2025/jun/30/welfare-bill-keir-starmer-liz-kendall-rebels-labour-latest-politics-live-news

    17.58 BST

    DWP confirms 4-point rule won't apply to existing Pip claimants reassessed in future - after Kendall mis-speak implies otherwise
    The Department for Work and Pensions has released a letter that Stephen Timms has sent to MPs about the concessions on the welfare bill. It contains a Q&A, and the text of the amendments relating to Pip.

    The Q&A covers what will happen to existing Pip claimants if their claims are reassessed. It says:

    What has changed?

    As part of our measures to strengthen the UC and Pip bill, we will bring forward an amendment for Commons committee so that the 4-point minimum only applies to new claims. This means that no existing claimants will be subject to the 4-point requirement, including if they undergo an award review, whether planned or due to a change in circumstances. Those making a new claim after the measure comes into force (not before November 2026) will be subject to the 4-point requirement.

    Earlier in the Commons Liz Kendall seemed to the opposite, implied that existing claimants would be subject to the four-point rule if they ask for a reassessment after November 2026. (See 4.38pm.) But DWP sources have said Kendall mis-spoke, and that the situation is as set out in the DWP Q&A.
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    · 6 hours ago
    Kendall lost it long ago.
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    · 7 hours ago
    Oh it's a farce! Let's wait and see what happens tomorrow. This government are a joke. Keir starmer, Liz Kendall & Rachel reeves need to go. 
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    · 7 hours ago
    What a half baked shambles 
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