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@Colette These Labour MPs are all going lose their seats come the next General Election. We heard Rachel Reeves on the radio + that woman has let the power go straight to her head: She was boasting about all the power she has got now. Her words were we have got the power to do what we want + no one can say anything + apparently the vote at the last election, confirms not 1 person even disagrees with her view. Apparently according to her the Labour MPs who  disagree are the likes  of John Mcdowell who apparently are not Labour MPs. I think that will come as news to John Mcdowell who has always been associated with Labour, he was under Jeremy Corbin as shadow Chancellor. My partner thinks in May during the local elections those results are going to frighten a lot of Labour MPs + it will wake them up  + make them question why they lost + it might make a few more Labour MPs vote against the disability cuts.

@Lynn Oldfield I just found that petition and signed it too. the whole idea this government has come up with is stupid. The DWP has already agreed the disabled people are disabled + very limited to work and hence agreeing they need the benefits. Then this ludicrous incompetent government led by kier Stammer and Rachel Reeves comes up with a brilliant idea to increase the poverty population and steal the last bit of independence and dignity from the most vulnerable.  Yes there are places this government could look to make cuts, how about starting on MPs over generous expenses? Such as that MP being able to claim £900 to keep her dog with her.  How many other politicians are doing this? Kier Stammer government has passed a law to do nothing short of snoop into the bank accounts of pensioners and disabled. This government seems so keen to snoop in bank accounts, why doesn't it now pass a law to allow the general public to inspect the bank accounts  of our politicians all sitting in Westminster and particularly the bank accounts of the Prime Minister and chancellor?    

@Al A parliamentary petition against these cruel inhumane welfare cuts has just been launched. Just signed it and there's just short of 10, 000 signatures.  

@Randolph Allman They are also two faced too. Any political party that intended to make cuts to disability payments should have been honest + put it in their election manifesto last year + let the public be aware of it. The only political party had this in their manifesto were the Tories only.  Labour has totally ignored  its own manifesto promises last year. 

@Scorpion Well, come the next General Election, I doubt Blair will be able to help them, the Labour Party will be unelectable. The majority of Labour MPs will lose their seats. When are the Labour back benches going to wake up to the damage Rachel Reeves  + Stammer are doing to the party? 

@Scorpion Any MP who votes in favour of these reforms will be in breach of the parliamentary code of conduct as far as I’m concerned. Page 2 1d says ‘the purpose of the code is to ensure all Members can and do speak and act without fear or favour’. Everything I’m hearing suggests MP’s are afraid to speak out for fear of consequences for their own careers. They are being pressured to vote a certain way. Same happened with the pensioners and the winter fuel allowances. They ought to be held accountable. 

@Scorpion The only thing that can stop this is legal challenge.

@WorkshyLayabout Totally agree

@DD Those MPs won't have a job after the next General Election. The Labour Party is fast becoming unelectable. It looks like Rachel Reeves is on a 1 woman mission to destroy the Labour Party. We read in a newspaper that Angela Raynor, Lucy Powell + Ed Millband from the front benches have threatened to resign if these cuts happen. Well, if Angela Raynor resigns that will be the end of Kier Stammer. A bookies has given a 3-1 chance that both Rachel Reeves + Stammer will both be gone before then end of this year.

@DD Doesn't mean we shouldn't make them squirm a bit - letting them know we are watching how they vote, responding to the "consultation", writing to them and showing up at constituency surgeries.  I agree that the new mps don't want to rock the boat and they probably owe their selection to chicanery of Party management as much as (if not more than) to the local CLPs   I don't know about other new Labour MPs but I know my local one won on a small majority in a constituency that has been blue for a long time so I guess he's got a choice as to which way he wants to lose his parliamentary career over this; defy Keith and be consigned to to the back benches at least until a change of leader or lose his seat in the next GE.  Depends how ambitious he is I suppose.

@Ilo It is probably a ploy be this government to start bringing about the end of the PIP benefit.

@Matt Why? The PIP Assesors are systematically down pointing people who are Middle and High rate, downplaying and minimising proven medical evidence. That is WRONG. We cannot roll over and let this continue.

@Mick Totally agree, I feel aggrieved as is that as a single person too sick to work, I already get less in benefits than a healthy individual working full time, earning the minimum living wage, which is what we apparently need to have a decent standard of living. I feel disadvantaged unfairly enough, that I am financially worse off as a result of being incapacitated, compared to a healthy individual without having my income cut completely potentially, as someone on PIP and claiming NS ESA support group.

@Matt sounds fairly sensible. Also, working people claiming PIP could possibly be given a different tax code instead. Two points across 6 plus descriptors can equate to a high level of functional disability and to insist on eligibility resting on a 4 point score is just awful. Where can you realistically score 4? Cooking, washing, mixing with others maybe, dressing perhaps?

@Matt

@Rusty At the rate Labour is going, no one will be voting for them at the next election: it is fast becoming an unelectable party. How could anyone be expected to trust a word Labour says at an election again? When the Tories last year said of making cuts to the Welfare  system, every Labour politician including Stammer stood up + were critical of the idea + what does Labour do when it got, immediately threten to mug the disabled. Now  every Labour MP who was critical of the Tories Welfare reform now needs to vote against these cuts. 

@Peter Absolutely correct and it is high time they were held accountable. Things are getting completely out of hand now with the corruptive way labour are going about governing. I’m not sure if Starmer is the real issue having no regard for the laws and rules. Ironically with his legal background. MP’s who support this are in breach of the parliamentary code of conduct page 2, 1d. ‘The purpose of the code of conduct is to ensure all Members can and do speak and act without fear or favour’. How can this possibly be fair? They are pushing ahead without the impact assessment. Not that anyone needs to see that to know what the impact is going to be!

@Mick Conlabourvertists 

@Mick I agree it's a Scylla and Charybdis choice but, as a life long Labour voter, I honestly don't think I can vote for this iteration of the Labour Party in the next GE - at least I'l feel that in some small way I'll be registering my disatisfaction with the present Government.  I've decided that rather than voting with my previous allegiance - or any allegiance with any political party - I'll be looking at a mix of party policies and individual candidates' history of community and political activity to inform my decision.  At the moment, as I'm not in England, it will likely be the nationalist party or the Greens.  My other thought is that any political party that sets out their stall along the lines of "vote for us, you know us, you know we may not look out for your interests but the others are no better and will treat you worse than we do" is using tactics often used in domestic abuse and I won't let that stop me voting for the party that best aligns with my values and the interests of my community ... even if they stand no chance of winning the GE or even the seat.  If that means we get a tory returned in our constituency well, as sad as that is, it's the fault of the current Government's choice to balance the books on the backs of the most vulnerable in our society instead of calling on those with the broadest shoulders to bear up.

@Mick It has been reported that the Labour frontbenchers are all multi-millionaires.

@Russell

@Russell Don't give up. 'Losing' sides sometimes win. If we give up, they've won already. If the majority do win, I at least want to ensure their consciences and reputations don't come out unscathed.