Secretary of state for work and pensions Pat McFadden refused to rule-out personal independence payment (PIP) cuts or rule-in the abolition of the work capability assessment (WCA), in wide ranging discussions with the Commons Work and Pensions committee (WPC) last week.

PIP

In relation to PIP, the WPC pointed out [Q118] that, since McFadden took over, the Timms’ review terms of reference have been changed to say that spending must remain within the Office for Budget Responsibility’s forecast.  As a result:

“There is a risk that those who have engaged with this process may fear that they are aiding the axeman in respect of PIP. What words of reassurance would you give to them?”

It turned out McFadden had no reassurance to give.

When asked [Q119] why the DWP continue to claim that the Timms review is being co-produced with disabled people, when “the Social Security Advisory Committee advised against using the term”, McFadden had to admit “in a spirit of candour with the Committee, I say that in the end, the Government have to make the decisions on policy, financial resources and so on.”

And when asked [Q120] point blank:  “Can you rule out future cuts?”, McFadden replied:

“I am not ruling anything out. I have only been in the job for three months, and if I start ruling things out it will just close doors in the future, so I am not ruling anything out.”

WCA

In relation to the WCA McFadden was asked [Q115]:

“In the Green Paper, the Government said they would publish a White Paper in the autumn on the abolition of the work capability assessment. Reports now seem to suggest that that has been cancelled. The WCA is a fundamental and crucial part of the whole system, so is that correct? Why the change and how are we going to move forward if that is not the case?”

McFadden could have simply responded with something along the lines of “We will be bringing forward separate legislation at a future date to deal with the abolition of the WCA.”

Instead, he obfuscated: 

“There were a number of changes in July, as the Committee is well aware. It meant we had to re-look at how we were taking these things forward. The Committee will be aware of the establishment of the Timms review. We may come on to that, but he will consider the whole question of PIP, with the other reviewers. There are some elements of the Green Paper that are now being looked at in a different way.”

Whilst McFadden’s response certainly doesn’t say the idea of abolishing the WCA has been ditched, it does suggest that it is no longer the certainty that it was on publication of the green paper.

Unemployment insurance

McFadden’s wariness in relation to the WCA was certainly not matched when he came to talk about changes to contribution-based benefits, where he explained [Q127]: 

“. . . I am enthusiastic about the idea of recreating more of a contributory unemployment insurance element, non-means-tested, based on your contributions as part of the system. I think it is a good idea. It is an idea that we hope to take forward next year. It is pretty simple: for a limited period of time, people with a good national insurance contribution record will be entitled to such a benefit.”

Under-22s

Nor did McFadden have any problem about admitting that Labour has not yet made up its mind about whether to prevent claimants under the age of 22 from accessing the health element of universal credit, another idea consulted on in the green paper [Q130]:

“We have not made a decision on that—not to repeat earlier answers—but the whole issue of young people, sickness, unemployment and work is within the terms of what I have asked Alan Milburn to look at in the next few months. It is in there and I do not want to make a decision on it until we have looked at things in the round.”

Mired in uncertainty

The impression McFadden gave, though certainly not intentionally, is of a department mired in confusion and uncertainty following the backbench revolt on PIP cuts earlier this year.

The minister is pretty certain they will go ahead with the introduction of unemployment insurance, but everything else seems to be no more than a “maybe” at the moment.

And, given the increasing likelihood of there being a new prime minister in place next year - and possibly a whole new team running the DWP – that’s probably wise.

You can download the transcript of Work and Pensions Committee Oral evidence: The work of the Department for Work and Pensions, HC 344

 

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    · 1 hours ago
    Do we know if this affects New Style ESA?

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    · 3 hours ago
    I am getting absolutely scared stiff of the future now because of this pathetic government, it's almost they are literally trying to scare people to death.
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    · 4 hours ago
    I note the article says this:

    In relation to the WCA McFadden was asked [Q115]:

    “In the Green Paper, the Government said they would publish a White Paper in the autumn on the abolition of the work capability assessment. Reports now seem to suggest that that has been cancelled."

    Do we know what those reports are? 
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    · 6 hours ago
    When Labour were in government previously we lived in an area where there was a trial of people on Incapacity Benefits who had to have 5 meetings about a month apart with a Job Coach to see what they could do to get you into work. I remember going with my other half who was booked off work, and the Work Coach started off with "When you get better..." and I answered "There's no cure for his condition. It only gets worse..." By the time we got to appointment no. 4 it lasted about 5 minutes as they realised it was a complete waste of time. The trial was ditched. I suspect Labour are going to try and resurrect something like this for those in the LCWRA group which makes me shudder.
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    · 16 hours ago
    Motability has announced that with immediate effect luxury car brands including BMW, Mercedes, Jaguar and Land Rover will not be available on the scheme.

    And by 2030 25% of cars on the scheme will be made in the UK, and from 2035 50%.

    The increase in UK made cars will include a doubling of the number of UK made Nissan cars. 
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    · 18 hours ago
    I think the point of the Timms review is to cut PIP spending and when PIP daily living replaces the WCA, UC health spending too. Or as they spin it make disability benefits sustainable so the genuinely severely disabled who are unable to work can be protected. And stop people taking the Mickey or being left on the scrap heap.

    Going on about the Timms review and PIP in answer to a question about abolishing the WCA. Is in my opinion indicative of them planning on abolishing the WCA and using PIP daily living component as the eligibility criteria for UC health element.

    On young people he repeatedly went on about people choosing the door that leads to being trapped on benefits rather than being helped into work. Which I think is indicative of going forward with the plan to remove or reduce what they view as perverse financial incentives to be disabled, and not abandoning people to a life trapped on benefits.

    If I had been on the committee I would have asked McFadden to resign for his comments in a media interview where he called young people on disability benefits a disease and unaffordable burden on society. Rhetoric straight out of the history books. As we should not forget where such rhetoric leads. 
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      · 4 hours ago
      @John
      "Going on about the Timms review and PIP in answer to a question about abolishing the WCA. Is in my opinion indicative of them planning on abolishing the WCA and using PIP daily living component as the eligibility criteria for UC health element."

      That was already the original plan though - if nothing has changed in that regard, then McFadden could simply have said "yes, we're still going to bring forward a bill to abolish the WCA". He didn't. 

      I suspect the realisation has begun to dawn that conflating disability and incapacity benefits is a recipe for chaos and disaster, and that conflation is precisely what happens if UC Health (an incapacity benefit) is made dependent on a component of PIP (a disability benefit). They are fundamentally different benefits designed for different purposes. There will always be people who are incapable of work, which means there will always need to be an incapacity for work assessment of some kind. The PIP assessment can't be used for that purpose, as PIP isn't an incapacity benefit and its assessment therefore cannot assess incapacity for work. If the WCA is abolished but not replaced by some other incapacity for work test then there will be no incpacity for work test anywhere in the system.

      It sounds very much as though they reached for this nonsense in desperation a few months ago on the assumption that it would save them a few quid, they're only now starting to realise that it's completely and utterly unworkable, and they simply have no idea how to get themselves out of the hole they've dug. Not least because they know that if they come forward with anything that would plunge a lot of vulnerable people into poverty they will run into a repeat of the summer's rebellion, especially with a leadership whose authority is in the toilet with Labour now tanking so badly in the polls, even compared to just a few months ago. 
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    · 21 hours ago
    It looks like the government are seriously considering implementing 'the unemployment insurance benefit'. Which will result in anyone claiming this benefit being time limited. Currently under ESA (CB) support group there is no time limit.
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      · 1 hours ago
      @Anon Yes it’s really awful it’s hanging over our heads I’ve got an awful lot going on at the moment personally and I’m trying to get a bipolar diagnosis and navigate another load of nonsense like government bureaucracy. But my MP’s office still haven’t got back to me from earlier on in July when I asked about this benefit. They were very helpful but obviously haven’t had any response from DWP I aim to get an answer certainly in the new year I won’t stop until I have it. 
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      · 3 hours ago
      @Helen Galloway Yes, As I mentioned last week nearly half a million people will be impacted by this unemployment insurance benefit who are on CB ESA. I am being pushed mentally to breaking point as this will leave me and others like myself destitute. I am really very scared why change things the way they are. People on New Style ESA worked all their lives and like myself too unwell to work. I do not want to live to an old age where the disabled are treated so badly.
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      · 4 hours ago
      @YogiBear That's a good question. Will we be forced onto means tested UC or the health element of UC? If the latter will we be classed as new claims and therefore get the greatly reduced health element of UC for new claimants which is coming in next March?
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      · 6 hours ago
      @YogiBear We need to fight them on this because there are people on it who will not be covered by the means tested benefit. I’ll have money to pay for bills and that’s about it. 
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      · 14 hours ago
      @YogiBear I wonder what will happen to the existing claimants who are on ESA (CB) support group? There's been talk that they will do away with the legacy benefit and when you claim the new Unemployment Insurance benefit you will get it only for a limited time. Like 'resetting the clock'.
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    · 22 hours ago
    This is a marked contrast, with an expectation, as you are calling it, that draws disabled people into conditionality. The new deal for disabled people was voluntary but still managed to get tens of thousands of disabled people into work—and successful work; up to 12% over three years sustained employment. Why have you decided to draw this into a conditionality regime? Also, going back to my first question, what considerations were given to safeguarding in this regard?
    Q126
    Good question from Debbie Abrahams re the planned employment support programme. 
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    · 23 hours ago
    It may not seem like good news but when it comes to what the DWP are planning on,trust me as someone with many years experience, kicking the can down the road is the best you can hope for. Like a stay of execution. 
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    · 1 days ago
    With regard to McFadden not ruling out cuts to PIP. Having just spent the best part of almost two years going through dishonest assessments (one of which so obviously made up, that was paid compensation for it by Capita). Then, to put myself through the mandatory reconsideration process, only to be awarded a few extra points that amounted to no actual award. Followed by a submission to Tribunal, and the DWP’s offer of the bare minimum of points. And finally - at tribunal to be awarded both Daily Living and Mobility at the higher rate.

    What I wonder, is just how much money was spent on that entire process? 
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      · 16 hours ago
      @Unknown Error Make a FOI request..... i bet it would make very interesting reading. ( obviously it can't be case specific) so itd be something like how many cases are given awards at tribunal? How many cases are rejected at tribunal? What is the breakdown of the awards given at tribunal etc