The DWP is to send work coaches onto mental health wards to assist with CV writing and interview preparation, the BBC has revealed.

In an exclusive interview with the BBC, Work and Pensions Secretary Liz Kendall praised trials in Leicester and Maudsley hospital in London, which offered employment support to people with serious mental health conditions, including in-patients.

 "The results of getting people into work have been dramatic, and the evidence clearly shows that it is better for their mental health," Kendall said.

"We really need to focus on putting those employment advisers into our mental health services. It is better for people. It is better for the economy. We just have to think in a different way."

However, according to Kendall, people using jobcentres may be much less likely to encounter those same employment advisers.  Instead, they will benefit from “more personalised support using AI” whilst only people “who really need it” will get face-to-face support.

Kendall also urged employers to “think differently” about employees with mental health conditions.

You can read the full BBC article here.

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    · 1 months ago
     think something will happen that would go against the government Kendal included  as to many charities don't agree with her and NHS workers are against  the idea some of labours  MPs to and as for the cuts  the impact thing they do has to be looked at all these stupid ideas will get put on hold for a few years and could lead to every thing being dropped  wether Kendal starmer and reeves agree or not and they can try pass the bill but there will be people who can say no for everything to do with being evil to people I think the government are lying to be greedy they've made everything up this tug of war has been going on for years it's not new and the last lot  didn't get to pass the cuts it does get looked at and binned a lot don't believe everything  read in the media the journalists do twist words they make things sound a lot worse/better as they get money for it once knew of a journalist and they admitted to someone  Infront of people I know that they get told to make reports more interesting by lying abit good/bad as it gets them attention I remember this journalist got a lot of bother  from a few people for not reporting a sensitive story right they never did that again but they still lost the respect   .
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    · 1 months ago
    This isn't the fraud action conversation, we're commenting on job coach visits to hospital patients here.
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      · 1 months ago
      @robbie Very true - maybe some of the posters don't think through their activity on here. It does turn into doom & gloom on regular basis, which I understand, given the subjects, but who do these comments actually serve?

      There is enough bleak news anyway, so maybe we should think carefully before reflexively posting the latest miserable series of thoughts randomly online, especially when out of context?


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    · 1 months ago
    Liz Kendall has given an interview to the Telegraph today (19th Oct) regarding the bank snooping powers and it's really scary stuff.
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      · 1 months ago
      @Anon Try not to give in to the fear - it just destroys any semblance of attainable peace.

      What will be will be.

      We live we die and there are no guarantees of a hassle free ride along the way.
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      · 1 months ago
      @Sadly Simon It is scary because the Government can't be trusted to get anything right but we'll see.
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      · 1 months ago
      @Anon It's not that "scary" - I read the article, she is reiterating what has already been stated through the media these past few months.

      Quote(s):

      "That’s why we’re going to take action with our new fraud action plan – through a new bill to be introduced to Parliament in the coming months."

      "I’ll focus DWP’s energies on more serious case reviews, and new measures to send alerts from banks and financial institutions when people may be breaking the rules."

      "And for those who build up debts through overpayments, we will have new powers to make sure those who can pay but choose not to are held to account."

      It's all in the wording - I couldn't see a sentence where the state would be able to just "take money" out of an account?

      Anyway - as far as I can tell, nothing new to report at this junction.


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      · 1 months ago
      @Anon Looks like either the telegraph is lying or Liz kendell is drunk with power and wants the UK to be worse then North Korea and will spark a revolt
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      · 1 months ago
      @Anon From said interview: "the state will be granted powers to take money directly out of bank accounts and wage slips as part of a crackdown on benefit fraud."
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    · 1 months ago
    This will never happen, there is absolutely no way ANY DWP staff would be allowed on to a psychiatric ward. The Royal College of Psychiatrists would see to this. 
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    · 2 months ago
    Not happening. There's no way medical staff will allow unwanted visitors to vulnerable patients. Victims or criminals in hospital are even protected from police questioning them. There's no way some bushy tailed dwp job coach is going to be allowed on a mental health ward. No-one has to accept visitors in hospitals anyway. What utter tripe.
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      · 1 months ago
      @Anon There would likely be legal challenges - so this could get rather expensive. They might be able to "justify" this action in specific cases, but if somebody is in crisis mode, there is no way this kind of gross imposition upon privacy & dignity would stand.

      They need to back off.
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      · 1 months ago
      @keepingitreal They will do it by using the positive results of the trials mentioned in the article above to justify it.
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    · 2 months ago
    How to tell us you haven't been on an acute psychiatric ward recently without telling us...

    I do think that a lot of people would benefit with some skilled employment advice and support, voluntarily. But wards are total chaos, every patient is incredibly seriously ill & often their relationship with reality is considerably diminished. The chances of a job coach getting out without a chair wrapped around their head is low. This policy will soon be quietly dropped.

    Of course if the mentally ill had been invited, alongside other disabled people, to their meetings about helping people back to work we could have pointed that out and given some ideas about what would work. But we weren't so they get to waste yet more money
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      · 1 months ago
      @Jane Yes , mentally ill are ignored on their views, I have experienced that , and autistic are irrelevant to the mental health services as well. 
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    · 2 months ago
    "UK ministers to stick by Tory plan for £1.3bn of cuts to sickness benefits" FT
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      · 1 months ago
      @Rik We don't know yet though Rik and we can't fathom the time scale of any changes. I fully expect to be hassled again in the not too distant, but what's new?

      I just don't see the benefit sitting here stressing about it, so I am practising containment at this time and managing anxiety through applied reason (where/when possible).

      Living in the place of "what if" just makes me ill.

      Pointless rumination.
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      · 1 months ago
      @Sadly Simon The core of the plans are the identical to the Conservatives: reduce the amount of people on the highest rate of ESA/UC. They don't seem to be saying current claimants would be excluded from the reformed WCA, like the Conservatives said. So if you are lucky, then yeah your income might be left relatively intact.
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      · 1 months ago
      @Anon It's hard to fathom where the £3 billion will come from - I suspect this is a forecast based around the proposals.

      There are over 2.75 million in the UK signed out of work as of August 2024, and these ones are classed as being economically inactive, due to long term sickness.

      https://www.statista.com/statistics/1388245/uk-sick-leave-figures/

      The general idea tossed around by the Tories and presumably picked up by Labour (not that we know precisely) is a target of 400'000 within 3-4 years, to be "work ready" - no mention of employed, from what I have read, but "work ready" ... key phrase.

      Plus, to tighten entry to sickness benefit going forward (again, no specific details). One can assume that on "mental health" grounds, perhaps presenting symptoms of depression say, or transient bouts of anxiety, the chances of gaining financial support beyond base level UC will be rather slim.

      Who knows though - the system is in a complete shambles and unless they have a magic wand, I think there will have to be gradual roll out over the next couple of years.

      They want to revamp job centres, have more of a focus on local authority intervening to assist people on welfare, in terms of support back into work and so on. This is some serious restructuring to my mind.

      As long as our personal finances remain "relatively intact" going forward, it will be interesting to see how this plays out.

      The thing that "needs" to happen in most towns and cities, is funding toward mental health support teams within each community and centres where we can drop into daily for community support, with like minds.

      Unless they tackle the atomisation/isolation within culture, all of the other schemes, in my view, are likely to fail in many cases.

      We'll see.
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      · 2 months ago
      @Rik 3 billion of cuts says Rachel reeves
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      · 2 months ago
      @Rik Rachel Reeves said today she is cutting £3billion from the welfare bill 
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    · 2 months ago
    https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1963545/liz-kendall-labour-party-work-policy?int_source=nba

    So, I have copied and pasted this article...i'm not very good at this, so if it copying it into your browser doesnt work then try going onto the Daily Express online newspaper and reading this article...Liz Kendall makes a fool of Labour Party voters with this absurd policy...

    It is really succinct and covers many bases.

    The astonishing thing is that it is in the Daily Express.
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      · 1 months ago
      @DJMH15 Nothing, absolutely nothing that appears in the express is in any way reliable. A quick scan of the politics section shows just how much drivel is printed and how much of it is simply made up. The thing is they take a truth, add some well chosen words and change a few parts and take away key words... All for the purpose of sucking in gullible readers. I'd be willing to bet half that article is a pack of lies and the other half is loosely based in truth.
      I mean come on, posting articles from the express as facts is the same as doing so with an article from the daily mail, the sun or any other gutter rag.... It's perpetuating scaremongering. 
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    · 2 months ago
    The telegraph says they are going to go with conservative benefits changes.  The Guardian says that the to are not and will be  going with there own reforms.  Telegraph  is a Tory supporting paper so don't believe  much it says. It would be nice if  someone could just come out with the truth of what they are planning.  I might not like it but at least I would know what was coming.  Unfortunately these people have a problem with the word truth they don't seem to understand what the word means.  Maybe they should look up what the word means in a dictionary before they open their mouths.
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      · 2 months ago
      @DS From what I can see, they're doing some kind of changes to the WCA but, helpfully, are refusing to specify what those changes are beyond "not identical to the Tory ones". so we could be looking at anything from "basically identical" to "some entirely new plan".
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    · 2 months ago
    I am very concerned that Labour will abolish the Support Group (and UC equivalent). If they want to go after people who are Sectioned, very seriously mentally ill people, then there will not be allowances to not be forced to look for work due to illness and disability – Starmer has already hinted at this several times (“sick people need to look for work now”).
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      · 1 months ago
      @DOOMED Labour or Starmer has said nothing about the support group, never mentioned people who have been sectioned and Starmer has never said sick people need to look for work now... But if he has then please provide a source? By source I don't mean what some tory loving rag said either.
      By all means be concerned but please don't perpetuate gossip or media headlines that simply aren't true. 
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      · 1 months ago
      @DOOMED And the psychiatrist view? When my son was sectioned it's a very long tick box to be allowed to do anything. Never mind leave the place to go to work or mix with the public long term 
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      · 1 months ago
      @A I replied anyway, but yes, I think if I were in your current position, I would potentially be worse off...

      I was forced to switch to UC about 4 years ago when I failed a review - so I was on base rate UC for a few months while the appeal was running through, it was nightmarish for a while, as my money dropped significantly.

      They backed off at the Job Centre and I had a decent advisor/coach who could see errors were made during the reassessment.

      It turned out okay and the back-pay was given eventually.

      The UC system isn't great, but I'm relieved to have run through the process already.

      One benefit of UC is HB is rolled into the account, so you don't need to deal with the local council directly and any alterations to overall income automatically adjusts the monthly payout through the account, less faffing around basically.


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      · 1 months ago
      @A I did the calculations, after all of the money goes out at the beginning of each month, let's say, worse case scenario, I lost £390 per month, I would have bills & rent (HB) covered and "a little" left over for food and that's all.

      We are all in different circumstances.

      I don't think it will come to that though, "it may" at some point, but we need to hold tight and see what happens over the next few months.
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      · 1 months ago
      @A I live at home with elderly parents don't get housing benefit or council tax just ESA income based plus standard daily living on ESA hand over 60 percent of income over too parents
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    · 2 months ago
    The proposal to force severely mentally ill health patients in hospital wards look for work and write CV's is one of the most sickening ideas that a right wing government has ever had. Whether these proposals will ever go ahead remains to be seen but this headline gives a powerful message to all people with mental health problems who claim benefits. That is that if Labour will even consider that the most serious cases, people that have been sectioned because there is no way that they can function in the outside world, can be chivied in hospital to do job seeking activities, they imply that your mental health problems are so trivial that you can all go back to work too plus the implication that there is no escape, that they can persue you anywhere to do this.

    This is very, very dangerous, it's obvious that this will cause soaring numbers of people with MH even greater misery and dispair, than they already have to put up with. Even more will drop out of the benefits system and there will be ever increasing numbers of avoidable deaths. A win, win for for another cruel and morally bankrupt government, especially as it doesn't cost them a lot of money just to announce this news story. They may or may not carry out these proposals, I can't see a real world way in which they can but the implication is there for hundreds of thousands of people struggling with MH.

    Where is the outrage about this? Quite rightly there was justifiable rage about so many low income pensioners losing their winter fuel allowance but if you are disabled (in any way) and working age, the right wing press have ensured that there is no sympathy for us. I think that many people would be horrified if they knew was was really happening to us but the DWP keep covering it up. I wonder if they can keep it up forever though. I think that something will give one day. 

    Please, if you still haven't done so, do read 'The Department' by John Pring. 
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      · 2 months ago
      @MJ Okey, dokey, we'll see soon enough whether I'm right or wrong.
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      · 2 months ago
      @Ruth Right wing? Labour are left wing, albeit centre-left under Starmer.  I remember the last Labour government not being any different to the Tories on welfare and the same is clearly true now. 
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    · 2 months ago
    On  sky news the minister said  she also reiterated that they will not by copying the "failed" Tory government's plans and will be putting forward their own proposals.

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    · 2 months ago
    The sickness of politics
    Oct 18, 2024
    by
    speyejoe2

    The government is attacking those who are ‘on the sick’ using extremely dubious figures as its rationale. The chart below is taken from the OBR report on Welfare Trends in the last week and shows the extremely bogus government premise very clearly.


    I emphasise two figures which reveal in 2008/09 the working age percentage who were in receipt of all incapacity benefits was 6.8% and the latest figure for 2023/24 was 6.82%.

    In short there is no dramatic increase at all and we are being lied to by government – with this lie being perpetuated and disseminated by lazy journalists.

    An increase of 0.02% over 15 years is no rationale or justification for blaming ‘the sick.’

    Today sees the Times on its front page and the Financial Times in an article declaring this dramatic increase that simply does not exist. Every other media outlet whether TV, radio, online or print based has stated repeatedly this same alleged ‘dramatic’ increase over the past few weeks on the tell a lie often enough and people believe it to be true basis and nobody could be arsed to check the facts!

    What scrutiny do the electorate or journalists give to government if they allow any government to use wholly bogus premises for their assertions, intentions and pledges? Is it any wonder that the lazy electorate is constantly bemoaning there is no difference between Labour and the Tories and becoming disaffected?

    Making those who are sick the scapegoat is offensive yet is only allowed because of sheer laziness of the electorate believing it and believing the incredibly lazy media and journalist!

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      · 2 months ago
      @speyejoe2 A push back on the wording here.

      "sheer laziness of the electorate believing it and believing the incredibly lazy media and journalist"

      That is too broad a stroke - it's not that the average person doesn't care, it's just that they don't have the capacity to care as they run on their own particular hamster wheel and have a variety of enervating responsibilities to attend to.

      Members in my own somewhat fractured and dysfunctional family don't have an awful lot to say about any of this, basically because they are working and have other family to care about, but when the issue is raised in the media they will lament, "how disgusting" and then get on with their day.

      There are also many working in journalism who "do care and aren't lazy" - it's just that we are all subject to a system that is driven in part by core ideologies that (at times) work against the vulnerable and to overturn rulings or push in a novel direction is protracted, given their need to "balance the books" ...

      I think it's important to see things clearly, rather than in one broad stroke frustrate and anger potential allies with this rather naive binary take.

      I do agree though, the figures banded around at this time, do "appear" to be skewed or fabricated, but it's hard to say, as I have no direct access to the studies.

      I think it would be fair to "assume" that post-Covid the number dropping out of work has risen though, which is a problem for the current economic system that demands continual growth.

      Nothing against you Joe, but I wouldn't share this particular article as it has little persuasive power.
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    · 2 months ago
    This is a good article on the attack of the sick

    https://speyejoe2.wordpress.com/2024/10/18/the-sickness-of-politics/

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    · 2 months ago
    Just read the media speculation this morning  about the Government wanting to change sickness benefits claims to save £3 Billion ?. I am really very scared, I am autistic, have spinal stenosis no local support from my own community mental health team at all.  I struggle to interact with people. Why can the Government leave the disabled alone and treat them with compassion. I urge everyone to contact their own MP to protest against any changes which may impact upon all those un able to work. Sorry for this but this is not what I thought a change of Government would treat  people ,like  the vulnerable. I am in a state of such mental distress that I do not know what to do. 
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      · 2 months ago
      @Tom
      From your original post:

      " I am in a state of such mental distress that I do not know what to do"

      I am often that way, albeit fleetingly at the moment, daily. In all honesty, in my heart of hearts, I gave up a while ago in terms of having anything even approaching "hope" - I just had to let it go.

      I'm old enough to articulate my condition and struggles now, which is fortunate for me, as I have to fight my own corner, but it's getting harder to find the energy to do so.

      As I said on another post recently, none of us signed up for these problems prior to birth, yet at times, the system seems to want us to feel guilt & shame for being what we are.

      As you know, Autism isn't something that can be fixed and we each have our own somewhat peculiar way of dealing with the demands of the social order, and for many of us, we end up isolated and this is what has happened to me and you.

      I don't know how to push past the barriers I palpably come up against when I attempt to "fit in" and be more active and the burn out is real.

      It's so frustrating. On the one hand I want to be out there, active etc. - but a big part of what "I am" struggles and then fails to maintain a normative level of activity.

      I'm sure you can relate to this - it's horrible to be this way and to have to explain these struggles to strangers within "services" - just to have a roof / food & some toys to play with (lest we go insane out of sheer boredom).

      When I have reached out in the past to seek voluntary work, something I could do from home, I was met with silence and brick walls (ideally we need somebody on-site etc.) I plan to reach out again this coming year and see if there is a role I can manage online, something where I can support others via text.

      I am a "potentially" useful (albeit limited) untapped resource and I may never be able to conform to what the system wants me to be, but that's the systems problem, not mine.

      And not yours.

      All the best ...
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      · 2 months ago
      @Sadly Simon Hi Simon.  Just to say Thank you for your very kind thoughts and support. I know how you feel. I used to have an older brother who looked out for me but he passed away 5 years ago. I am not thinking of myself but of other people as well who might be in similar situations. I want anyone who is disabled just to be treated with respect. Having Autism is difficult to interact so I live alone speaking to no one. If I could work but cannot due to other health issues  I would  really with all my heart  want to help others who are not as fortunate in life as myself. Thank you again Sir for your kind words of encouragement. 
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      · 2 months ago
      @Tom I am likely similar to you Tom. Diagnosed Austisic - issues since a child etc. Worked briefly before collapsing in a heap, have been prodded and poked for 20 years (ongoing) and stuck on welfare at this time.

      All I can say is (and I know this is easy as I sit here typing) - try your best not to overthink the situation and if you can, get out and take a walk.

      "Why can the Government leave the disabled alone and treat them with compassion."

      It will never be the case and I think "reasonably" we must expect a degree of "pressure" as nothing (sadly) in life is free, so ongoing hassle will always be there at some point for us.

      I also have had no direct community support for a few years and have ended up a hermit, especially since lockdown. My best friend died this time last year and he was my main line of support - it has been a tough year frankly.

      if you have the ability, maybe think about contacting your GP and seek referral? You could document your struggles with the GP and put yourself back in the system.

      I say this with a heavy heart, as I am loathed to reach out nowadays.
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    · 2 months ago
    So, Robert Peston just announced on the news tonight ‘we are learning that welfare will be squeezed by implementing plans to restrict disability benefit, that the previous government was planning to implement and we thought labour might soften a bit, well they’re not really softening it, those are still going to go ahead’ to get back to your original question this budget is now done and dusted. Happy days, all very very worrying.
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      · 2 months ago
      @empty123 We haven't seen the particulars just yet and how/when these changes will occur. I understand the "horror" of negative ideation, but I think we need to collectively get a grip and just wait to see what happens.

      It's easy to get pulled into a dark place of rumination.

      WCA have been dreadful for many of us these past few years, so here's "hoping" (a little) for positive change in that regard.

      The main concern is losing money of course, for us all, especially as things are so tight at the moment.

      I don't appreciate the rhetoric being peddled though via ministers and the press of "restricting access to sickness benefit" - but it's hard to know what that actually means at the moment, but it does send a dire signal to those sincerely struggling.
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    · 2 months ago
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/10/17/benefits-bill-cut-3bn-budget/

    Labour will cut £3 billion from the welfare bill by tightening access to sickness benefits, they're pushing through the Tories' WCA reform.
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      · 2 months ago
      @Dave Dee From The Guardian:

      "Rachel Reeves will seek to make about £3bn of cuts to welfare over the next four years by restricting access to sickness benefits, it is understood, according to the PA news agency.

      The chancellor is expected to commit to the previous Tory government’s plans to save the sum by reforming work capability rules, as first reported by the Telegraph.

      Under Conservative proposals, welfare eligibility would have been tightened so that about 400,000 more people who are signed off long-term would be assessed as needing to prepare for employment by 2028/29, reducing the benefits bill by an estimated £3bn."

      The wording is too vague at the moment - without access to particulars and then being part of the roll out process, who can say how this will play out?

      It does sound rather grim though to be honest, on the surface.

      As ever - how practical will these measures be, when attempting to prod and poke a disabled person who has been inactive for many years into a work ready state?
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    · 2 months ago
    This is off topic but funny; the DWP love their CVS don't they?
    Even as a cleaner I have to have one, done by Careers Wales. However a work coach said it was unprofessional and asked me to put my full name on it
    Sure I can put my middle name on it ,(Rachel) but does that make it any more professional?
    Oh no, it's your first name
    I don't understand
    Well, Kat! What's it short for? Katrina, Katherine, Kaitlyn?
    No my name is Kat
    Which is short for
    It's my legal name you know that
    How
    It was on all the ID I provided to open my claim ....
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      · 2 months ago
      @Kat These scammy “CV builder” courses are all like this – whatever you do or write is wrong. I’ve had my supposedly decent quality CV from a previous, identical CV builder course torn apart. I’ve been told to remove all of my post-GCSE qualifications by some ‘advisers’, and scolded from withholding the qualifications by another.
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    · 2 months ago
    I'll rant.

    I'm getting really sick to death of certain people who think mental illness is a joke, have these people been living under a rock all of their lives? They think a pittance per month is life on easy street, sip a tequila and do the Copa cabana? 

    Has the mental health card got played often in society recently? Yes it has like that Lib Dem councilor who had PTSD because of Brexit and what it does is it completely trivializes PTSD, trivializes rape victims, victims of assault, war veterans ect. 

    Depressives on the severe list have death in their minds whenever they have the time to think and society seems to be turning it's back on them, why not use UK's soon to be assisted dying law, it will save you the bother right? Conservative types will love that as it will save the taxpayer whilst continuing to deny mental illness exists, the damned spineless hypocritical cowards.

    Thing is in my life I've never met someone who thinks it's a joke, it's always these self professed Conservative people online but if I did I would have something to say to them. When they ever get low to the point of no return nobody will care, I would tell them to really think about the consequences of a society they crave because they and their grandchildren will reap what they've sown.
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      · 1 months ago
      @Dave Dee I would assume that many who "dismiss" the real world struggles of a welfare recipient who is primarily plagued by depression/anxiety etc. are likely in a position where, were they to likewise fall foul of the vicissitudes of fate, would be economically buoyant and buffered from destitution through circumstance; with dependable supportive infrastructure in place via family, associates and a healthy bank balance.

      Heck, this one could even go on to write a stage play or book about the hardship of their own period of convalescence, where great sacrifices were made when jettisoning Waitrose home delivery for the Co-op service.

      And rather than have the metaphorical violin playing a doleful melody, perhaps they could employ the local busker, for a grand gesture of token union with the "common man"; again, a useful trope for the stage play and a wonderful anecdote for Steven Bartlett's podcast.
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    · 2 months ago
    This would be opening the DWP up to all kinds of legal repercussions. Anyone who has spent time in hospital knows that visitation is strict; they don't just let anyone in to see you. I have no personal experience of being sectioned, but I imagine that visitation rules in specialised mental health hospitals are even stricter. There's no way in Hell a doctor with even an ounce of professionalism is going to stand for work coaches trying to hassle extremely vulnerable patients with tips on how to write their CVs. I'm by no means an expert, but surely this kind of thing would actually be infringing on patient's privacy, and also interfering in the doctor patient relationship? The DWP will get themselves into all kinds of trouble.
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      · 1 months ago
      @MrFibro Yes, but we aren't without power and with the right connections, can hold them to account. I think it's important to not feel so disempowered. I understand of course, I am that way 50% of the time, but a part of me refuses to bow down before others who are essentially my equal.

      We were "all" the roll of the genetic dice and we are all heading in the same direction.

      My favourite place to walk is the local graveyard and woods - this is the great leveller.

      Both richman and beggar end up in the ground or as a puff of smoke on the horizon.
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      · 2 months ago
      @Bobdole DWP  are a law unto themselves.  They can and will do what they want as they feel fit.  Please read John Prings book ...THE DEPARTMENT.  Labour hate disabled people just as much if, not more than the Tories do.

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