Many figures in the Labour Party are beginning to list the planned cuts to benefits, and personal independence payment (PIP) in particular, as one of the major causes of Labour’s electoral losses at this week’s elections.  But so far, it seems the leadership is not listening.

According to the BBC, the Labour mayor of Doncaster who held on to her post with a much reduced majority, blamed the means-testing of the winter fuel allowance and the threat to PIP for her losses.

In the same article the BBC claim that they are being approached not just by the usual left wing MPs but also, off the record, by MPs from across Labour making the same points about why Labour is doing so badly.

One MP told the BBC "this is not a verdict on our failure to deliver.

"It is a verdict on what we have delivered. People on the doorsteps are using the word 'betrayal.'

"It's winter fuel. It's fear of Pips, it's a bit of immigration.”

And another long-standing Labour MP said "And it turns out that cutting disability and winter fuel payments comes at a cost – these are not Labour things to do".

In a separate piece, the BBC said a Labour campaigner in the Runcorn by-election told them the government's controversial decisions to cut winter fuel payments for pensioners and disability benefits had affected the result in what had been a safe Labour seat.

"On every door it was the same story - winter fuel and PIP," they said.

Emma Lewell MP, who has represented South Shields for Labour since 2013, said in a post on X:

“Trust matters. If you promise people that you will be focused on serving the public and then do not listen to them, do not expect them to vote for you.

“Withdrawal of winter fuel, denial of compensation for the Waspi women, and proposed disability cuts, have all broken that trust.”

And York Central Labour MP Rachel Maskell told BBC Breakfast: " . . . We’re not any other political party, we were created to serve the needs of people across working areas of our country so that people had a real voice of the kind of change that they wanted to see. . .  So, scrapping these proposals to push disabled people into hardship is an absolutely crucial part of that change, showing that we’re going to be listening to the country and protecting the people at their time of need."

Unfortunately, there is no sign yet that the Labour leadership is getting the message. 

Reacting to the results, Starmer said “I get it, we were elected in to deliver change, we've started that change – waiting lists down, wages up, interests rates down.

"The message I take out of these elections is we need to go further and faster on the change people want to see and that's what I'm determined to do."

Clearly, the cracks in the Labour party are beginning to spread beyond the “usual suspects”, but campaigners will need to go further and faster if they are to convince enough of the backbenches to dare to rebel against an unmoving leadership by June.

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    · 1 days ago
    Apparently we’ve only had ‘part 1’ of disability cuts and reforms

    Part 2 will be announced in the autumn and will contain worse things than part 1!


    What is there left to cut - it’s already beyond the bone………only thing left is to axe disability benefits altogether and introduced the workhouses or use the assisted dying bill to activity reduced the number of disable ppl in the uk

    Do Morgan mcsweeney’s puppets even have human souls at this point?
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      · 20 hours ago
      @Dez It sounds as though there is already widespread alarm in the PLP about the electoral impact of stage one, let alone "stage two". If they try to go even further that might put rocket boosters under a potential rebellion. Unless they're floating the idea of further cuts so they can withdraw them and "only" do what they've already announced as a way of buying off potential rebels. I don't think that would work though - the "stage one" cuts have apparently been brought up repeatedly on the doorstep and are therefore more than enough to be costing Labour votes already.
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      · 1 days ago
      @D Personally, I’m hoping the “stage two” they’re talking about is just the White Paper and therefore just the next state of the legalisation vs. a next stage of benefit cuts but I agree. It’s very alarming language used.

      But this is what happens when people vote for people who want to come down harder on benefits (Reform). I’d hate to say I told you so but…
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    · 2 days ago
    Hopefully the losses sustained by Labour on the back of their decisions on WFA and proposed plans for sick and disabled people will also open the eyes of the leaders of the other parties. We gotta have hope 
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    · 2 days ago
    The trouble is that people like T. Blair, G. Brown, D. Blunkett, A. Campbell, etc., are backing Keir Starmer behind the curtain, and without their support, he wouldn't have the guts to parrot "going further and faster" albeit Labour's damning election results.

    T. Blair is the one who secured jobs for his cronies known as Blairites, such as Yvette Cooper and Liz Kendall, as these are after all his own creation.

    T. Blair continues to have significant influence over Keir Starmer's Labour party. For instance, when Angela Rayner reportedly threatened to quit over the Government's “impossible” target of building 1.5 million homes in England by the end of this parliament, T. Blair stepped in and convinced Ms Rayner to remain in her post - wrote Lord Aschroft.

    T. Blair is also the very one who's actively promoting and pushing the widespread adoption of AI in this country, particularly in the public service, which will pave the way for a significant job redundancy, dismissing employees and replacing them with AI.


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    · 2 days ago
    "Going further and faster"
    Wouldn't please anybody to back track..won't admit they are wrong, Everyone else sees it.
    Open your eyes, Starmer, and see the trouble you've not only laid out before us ,but for your party also.
    I do not get this at all. Don't you want to be PM? Is this a deliberate ploy to obliterate Labour. Well,its Working perfectly. But to what or rather whose expense??. Ours! 
    Get me off this rock, I've had more than my fill over my 59 years. There's no peace for us. 
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    · 3 days ago
    This is an absolutely true comment that I made to my wife this afternoon.

    Instead of Keir Starmer - I had a major Spoonerism moment.

    I called him Steer Kalmer.

    Well he really needs to be a hell of a lot calmer whilst steering through the PIP crisis ?
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    · 3 days ago
    This is the problem when you have millionaires in charge. They are out of touch. Reform would be no better. And we’ve already seen what the Tories were planning with their voucher nonsense.
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    · 3 days ago
    The bad results for labour in the local elections could just be the kick off point for the break through we need to get the green paper out the commons, starmer is so arrogant with his reaction, the public will see through him eventually, hopefully sooner than later. As I've said before on here, this is not what the labour party was formed for, starmer and his vile cronies just don't understand what it takes to connect with the general public. They have caused so much anxiety and panic over the proposed benefits cuts and hopefully sometime soon they will get their just deserts. 
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    · 3 days ago
    If there was an election tomorrow 
    Starmer 
    They couldn't pour water out of a boot with the instructions on the heel. 
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    · 3 days ago
    You really could not make this up!
    Very well done Camden Disability Action Group
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    · 3 days ago
    Starmer is a Tory. Shame on labour MPs going alone with this attack on the old and disabled. 
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      · 3 days ago
      @Darren "Starmer is a Tory"

      Is our new slogan.
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    · 3 days ago
    Are they thick or just in denial hoping things calm down .
    Starmer you need to resign & take your horrible cronies with you .
    Betrayal after Betrayal .
    Oaps winter fuel ,Pip & inhumane decisions your making on the disabled & ill that will cause poverty & deaths .
    The economy you have destroyed .
    You need to change your name from Labour to the incompetent Party .
    Bunch of Amateurs !!!!

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      · 1 days ago
      @MJ
      Corbyn certainly thought the EU was flawed but he also knew that leaving was likely to be a disaster. The Guardian backed him over it not beause they were completely aligned with his view of the EU by any means, but because after the referendum the choice was between a hard Brexit as advocated by the Tories and Farage, or a softer version as advocated by Corbyn. The Guardian also hoped that Labour would go for a second referendum, which they did end up advocating - though that was largely because Corbyn was bounced into it by his shadow Brexit secretary, a certain Keir Starmer. Corbyn thought committing to a second referendum might well backfire on Labour, and indeed it did.

      I'm not an ideologist, I just want to see some rolling back of the relentless rush to ever more right wing territory that we've seen over the last 45 years and a return to something more like the post-war consensus - what you might call some basic continental-style social democracy. For all the accusations of extremism, that's pretty much what Labour was offering under Corbyn. He was on Iain Dale's programme a while back and recounted how during one of the election campaigns (I don't recall if it was 2017 or 2019, though I think it was the former) he was interviewed by a Swedish journalist who said to him, "right Mr. Corbyn, tell me about this extreme manifesto of yours that I've heard so much about". So Corbyn ran through the flagship policies in the manifesto. When he finished speaking the journalist said to him, "is that it?". Corbyn replied "well it's pretty good going for this country." The journalist shook his head and said "we did all that years ago. Why don't you do the same here?"

      As for Labour now, I was hoping for much the same as you - help those who might be able to work, leave those who can't alone. But seeing the likes of Reeves, Cooper and Kendall back in the shadow cabinet was quite enough to make me fear the worst. I couldn't bring myself to vote for them last year and now I'm so glad I didn't. I thought they might be as bad as the Tories and what they're proposing is even worse than the cuts inflicted by the Tories when they were in power. I switched to the Greens, who also want some social democratic redistribution of wealth and a more equal society, so naturally they're derided as lunatics/Communists/fanatics etc..

      " I'm 55 this year and have nothing but fear of what is about to happen."

       I'm 54 this year and feel the same way. I wish I could see a way out, but when the supposed alternative is someone like Farage, who actually offers more of the same on steroids with an even nastier edge, it's hard to feel any hope.
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      · 2 days ago
      @tintack Corbyn was neutral over Brexit; he didn't seem sure which way to go. Like Tony Benn I think he had a dislike deep down for what Benn called the "EU Empire". The Guardian certainly couldn't have backed him for that reason. The Lib Dems were staunch anti-Brexit but the Guardian never backed them. Odd. Maybe because they got in bed with the Tories and never forgave them, but the Guardian for a long time has been pro-Labour overall, including the Metro, the free newspaper. At least from my reading.

      I'm politically homeless. The only party that struck a chord with me was the SDP. They made a comeback a few years ago but have disappeared once again.

      I wasn't totally against some small shake-up of the benefit system. I'm a realist and a pragmatist, not really much of an idealist and certainly not an ideologist like you perhaps are; I dislike all forms of ideology. 

      I expected a lot of carrot and a small amount of stick when Labour came in. They spoke about 200k that wanted to get back into work. Fine, give them the help and support to do so. And anyone else that wanted to. Plough money and resources into a program to do so but leave those who can't or will struggle alone.  In otherwords no cuts but plenty of incentives. But no, far worse, the opposite in fact, very little carrot and a frightening amount of stick.  

      I'm 55 this year and have nothing but fear of what is about to happen. 
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      · 2 days ago
      @MJ
      The Guardian backed Corbyn largely because of Brexit, though partly because the Tories and Lib Dems' austerity had demonstably failed. The only columnist they have who was ever pro-Corbyn is Owen Jones. Their other political writers - Behr, Rawnsley, Freedland etc. - are rabidly anti-Corbyn.

      It tends to back the Lib Dems, who are definitely a centrist party - arguably a centre-right one, at least economically. They enabled the Tories' austerity and just recently abstained on the workers' rights bill, one of the very few decent policies this government has. The Orange Book tendency are not much different to Cameron-type Tories, which is why they were able to form a coalition with them.

      The BBC may like Farage on QT for drawing in viewers but that doesn't account for the right-wing slant of other panellists. Channel 4 is the only broadcaster whose presenters are genrally good at asking tough questions to politicians of all stripes. The difference is that right wingers like Farage have tended to get a much easier ride from other broadcasters so C4 stands out and gets accused of being left wing because it's er.....doing what it's supposed to. It's certainly been much better at highlighting disability cuts than other broadcasters over the last 15 years. 

      "I'm socially a centrist myself, lean slightly to the left on economics but from your perspective I probably look a long way off so even someone in the centre maybe looks "far-right" to you."

      No, people like Farage look far right to me. Given his brownnosing of Trump and MAGA and the fact that he was willing to speak at an AfD event I don't think that's a stretch.
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      · 2 days ago
      @tintack Well we will have to agree to disagree because The Guardian is not centrist or at least hadn't been for a long time, it has backed Labour in the last few elections including Corbyn who was definitely on the hard left, certainly a lot further than the centre left. The Independent is similar to The Guardian although slightly more to the centre so definitely in line with Labour at the moment.  

      BBC has admitted several times in the past they lean to the liberal left. The whole make up of the BBC these days are of a soft left variety. They like Farage on QT because he draws in viewers and the audience always give him a difficult time.  And CH4 definitely is a channel of the left and always has been not just recently but for decades. They should be holding the government to account but they aren't. Why I don't know but maybe they don't want to rock the boat and give Labour a tough time. But that just means we haven't got anyone fighting our corner in the media. 

      I'm socially a centrist myself, lean slightly to the left on economics but from your perspective I probably look a long way off so even someone in the centre maybe looks "far-right" to you. 
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      · 2 days ago
      @MJ
      Labour has the Mirror. The Guardian is centrist (the Observer is just the Sunday version of the Guardian) and has published articles against the cuts. The Independent isn't even a physical paper any more. That's it. 

      If you think the Labour leadership is going to drop the cuts because Polly Toynbee wrote an article about it in the Guardian I've got bad news: they won't listen to that. The only thing they might listen to is very large numbers of their own MPs threatening to vote against the legislation, which means keeping up the pressure on Labour MPs.

      The idea that the BBC and Channel 4 are on the side of Labour and the Lib Dems really doesn't stack up. The Tories installed highly partisan supporters of theirs in senior positions at the BBC and my god it shows. Farage has his own seat permanently booked on Question Time. I recently read that a study of QT's panellists showed that all the most frequently booked non-party panel members were on the right. It was the "pro-Labour" BBC that gave us some of the most jaw-droppingly dishonest stuff about Corbyn (the infamous Panorama episode for instance). Kuenssberg is their most senior political presenter and she has long been notorious for her pro-Tory bias.

      Frankly, the BBC is as left wing as my right foot.

      Nor is Channel 4 a pro-Labour or pro-Lib Dem channel. Its news coverage only seems left wing to some because of how ludicrously far to the right the political centre of gravity has moved.

      The point being made was that in the current political climate the Lib Dems and Greens have a chance to capitalise on labour's unpopularity but don't seem to be taking it. I agree they need to do better, but in order for a smaller party to break through an awful lot of funding is needed, as are supportive media outlets. Take away the billionaire funding and constant platforming on friendly media (and even mainstream media outlets for that matter) and where do you think Reform would be? Not where they are now. Meanwhile the Greens have almost the same number of MPs and barely get a look-in. In politics money talks and access to platforms willing to amplify your message is essential. You can call that whataboutism if you like. As far as I'm concerned it's just a statement of obvious political reality. 

       

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    · 3 days ago
    I wonder if Starmer will delay the proposed Pip legislation until the Autumn, and possibly later? Starmer and Reeves may be in denial mode publicly, but privately there are to stormy relations with a very large cohort of newly elected backbenchers   I think there MIGHT be some compromise proposals, possibly after the close of the "consultation"
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      · 1 days ago
      @MJ
      "But they have said it is linked to whether you receive PIP with 4 points in a single question."

      I'm pretty sure that's the health element of UC as it will be from 2028. However, the UC premium they're talking about for those who can't work is something new, whereas UC health element already exists, albeit not with the qualifiying criteria they're proposing from 2028. So the UC health element and the new UC premium for those who can't work would seem to be separate things. That certainly appears to be the implication, especially as they've said that the UC health element will be based on the PIP assessment so that the UC health element will no longer depend on incapacity for work - whereas the new premium, being for those who can't work, clearly will depend on incapacity for work.

      Let's put it this way: if they don't bring in an incapacity for work test to determine who quaifies for the new premium then there will be no incapacity for work test anywhere in the system after 2028. That means there would be a new premium linked to incapacity for work but no incapacity for work test to determine who qualifies for it. It would therefore be literally impossible for anyone to get it!

      It certainly sounds as though they haven't worked any of this out and they're going to run into these contradictions when they try to produce a workable policy rather than a rushed, ill-conceived green paper.

       
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      · 2 days ago
      @tintack That is hoping and it sounds logical. But they have said it is linked to whether you receive PIP with 4 points in a single question. So even if they come up with an alternative for WCA and the support group it will still be linked to whether you qualify via PIP according to the green paper.

      And yes I know from your post above you have said they are two different assessments and your reasoning is correct, but they don't seem to follow that logic and still talk about it being based off PIP qualification in the future. They don't recognise the difference. Maybe because you will just get PIP, an increased amount, and no UC premium? Survival of the very unfittest.

       
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      · 2 days ago
      @Matt Just to add to my previous comment: they won't be able to use the PIP assessment or anything based on the PIP assessment to determine who qualifies for the new UC premium because the PIP assessment is not an incapacity for work test.
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      · 2 days ago
      @Matt
      Given Timms' recent statement about work being undertaken to "develop" the proposals in the green paper, it sounds as though they haven't bothered to work out how any of this nonsense is actually going to work in practice.  Anything could happen at this point. 

      To give one example: they have said there will be a new UC premium for those who cannot work. That premium is therefore by definition explicitly linked to incapacity for work, which means an incapacity for work test will be needed to see who qualifies for it. But the WCA is currently the only incapacity for work assessment in the system and it's apparently going to be scrapped in 2028. As things stand there would be no incapacity for work test anywhere in the system once the WCA goes. So at that point they will have to reintroduce the WCA or something very like it - probably under another name - in order to determine who qualifies for the new premium.
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    · 4 days ago
    “…waiting lists down, wages up, interests rates down”

    Wages up - because of inflation. 
    Interest rate setting - not government controlled. 
    Waiting lists down - really. 

    Couldn’t starmer’s speech writer found a better triplet to illustrate Labour “achievements”.
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    · 4 days ago
    This proves that yesterday's vote was not motivated by love for Nigel Farage and his party, as the Reform Party claims, but rather a punitive vote for Keir Starmer and his team by the disabled, the poor, pensioners, and the Labour Party voters. A year ago, Labour was at the height of its historic glory, and in just months we will witness the decline of Labour, just as the Conservatives did, and the end of traditional parties whose lies and broken promises people have grown tired of.
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    · 4 days ago
    Let’s keep the pressure up. Every drop makes up the ocean. 
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      · 3 days ago
      @Gingin Everybody appreciates the substantial efforts you've made for the cause, Gingin. You are a wonderful person. Thank you
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      · 3 days ago
      @Gingin Get rid of the Labour PM and his team. Four years of hell.