The DWP is moving inexcusably slowly in considering the cases of PIP claimants who may be owed thousands of pounds  in back payments, its latest progress report reveals.  Although the DWP claim the review will be completed in 2025, at the present rate, some claimants may be left waiting a total of more  than 8 years for a decision on their case.

The review of cases relates to PIP activity 9. Engaging with other people face to face.

The DWP got the law wrong in relation to two descriptors:

b. Needs prompting to be able to engage with other people. 2 points.

c. Needs social support to be able to engage with other people. 4 points.

If the support a claimant needs consisted just of prompting, then the DWP argued it was only worth 2 points, regardless of who gave it.

However, in a case known as MM, the Supreme Court decided that where the prompting needs to be given by someone ‘trained or experienced in assisting people to engage in social situations’, then it may count as social support and score 4 points.

The DWP also believed that social support has to be given during the social activity or immediately before it.

But, in the same case, the Supreme Court held that social support does not have to take place during or immediately before a social engagement, it could take place weeks before or even after the event.

This means that many people who got zero points for this activity will now be eligible for four points.

The review of cases relates to decisions from 6 April 2016, when the case was decided, to 16 September 2020 when the DWP began following the correct rules.

The DWP say that they have identified 326,000 review cases relating to the 9(b) group.  These are primarily cases where the claimant scored 2 points for prompting when they may have been entitled to 4 points for social support.

However, the DWP admit that they are unable to identify claimants affected by the timing of support issue, who may have received support well in advance of a social engagement but scored no points because the DWP got the law wrong.  These claimants will need to contact the DWP themselves if they wish to be considered.

Reviews of cases started in September 2021.  The DWP say they have prioritised reviews for terminally ill and recently deceased claimants.

In the following two years, they have dealt with just 79,000 cases with almost a quarter of a million left to examine.

At present rates it will take the DWP over six years to complete its review of the outstanding 247,000 cases, although the department claims it will be completed in just another two years.

But there may also be thousands of cases that relate to timing or that the DWP have simply failed to identify.

More than one in five claimants who have been reviewed have received a back payment.

So far, around 14,000 payments have been made to claimants, totalling £74 million..

Overall, the average payment is around £5,285 per claimant.

We have covered this issue extensively in the past. 

Benefits and Work members can download the following resources from the PIP guides page.

Engaging with other people review guide
A six page guide to who may be affected by the review and what to do if you think you are.

Sample letters
Sample letters for people who think they may be affected by the DWP's error in assessing people who have difficulties engaging with other people.

Video explainer
A 7 minute video explaining who may be affected by the review and what to do if you think you are.

Video transcript
A transcript of the video.

DWP Memo
A 5 page memo issued by the DWP on the subject of the changes to the law.

You can read the DWP’s progress report on the administrative exercise for MM.

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    · 2 days ago
    Any up dates 
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    · 14 days ago
    Received payout yesterday ten and half grand not a bad payout and about time.
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      · 13 days ago
      @Lukankitty Hi Lukankitty that's nice you've received good news hope I will receive word soon because iam august  2017
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    · 15 days ago
    Hi guys just an update letter recieved said law change didn't affect me called up did Mr on there ground of i have walked out of social situations but completely missed all the info well enyway 2 days later call back someone else looked at all evidence been awarded £9600 due next week 
    Fight for what is yours because seems they will try eny reason not to pay out even with evidence in black and white  
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      · 12 days ago
      @Little l Hi little I it would be nice if I hear before  my birthday because my birthday is next week that would  be a nice big surprise also you have a nice Christmas and newyear too
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      · 12 days ago
      @Fiona Hi Fiona thankyou 
      I was awarded from aug 2018 
      I hope u hear soon I hope everyone gets what they are entitled too 
      Have a great Xmas and new year me and my babies will truly have a magical Xmas this year with out worries about gas electric food or a few extra presents round the tree 
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      · 14 days ago
      @Little l Hi little i iam so pleased for you 
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    · 26 days ago
    Enyone gone the process of answering 5 questions on a call ? Because iv called today for a update as I havnt been contacted back a decision was made the same day and letter sent in post that I havnt received yet
    Enybody with a letter being awarded or not does it state a certain date if succesful did they state a date of payment 
    Just wondering as she said decision was made and it's in letter posted but does it work like pip were you receive money before letter 
    I'm convinced that is a straight up refusal and I didn't manage to get the extra points even tho I was sitting on 11 points since 2018 until recent review and gone to hrc and hrm 
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      · 19 days ago
      @Little l Hi little I iam so sorry to hear this 
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      · 20 days ago
      @Fiona Yes apparently the ruling doesn't effect me even tho i have sent all paperwork stating I'm under mental health team and a out patient also cpn at my home every weeks I'm unstable that I cannot be discharged and havnt been ever. In my opinion they have completely overlooked everything as I asked what was the reason for their decision and it was because I have removed myself from some social situations means I'm not entitled even tho it's in black a white high rated verbally abusive aggressive gets irritated and agitated to the point I completely flip out but yeah I'm not entitled and I wasn't effected but I asked for this to be posted out to me and put in a Mr that I have said I will sent supporting evidence off family and cpn of what they have seen and how they have to deal with me in theses situations too 
      Or am I completely wrong as I thought social support would be from my mental health team my cpn and mainly my mom ? 
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      · 23 days ago
      @Little l Have you received you decision yet
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    · 26 days ago
    I received a letter from pip regarding the change of law and they said my claim wasn’t affected. Witch is a joke because I believe I was . I did request a mandatory consideration so hopefully  they change there mind , my claim is form 2018
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      · 19 days ago
      @Jack Hi Jack they did same to me I called and asked for a copy of reasons of why it didn't effect me as nothings changed from 2018 to present recent review hrc hrm as they have used the law change for point scoring but yet said it doesn't apply to me back them I have also requested a Mr and currently writing it aswell 
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    · 29 days ago
    Has anyone had any luck with moving them along with the help of an mp ? Thanks 
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    · 1 months ago
    Had a call today answered 5 questions and on them answers they will be looking at the leap review mm judgement enybody know how long it takes to have a decision as the decision maker is already working on my case ? 
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      · 29 days ago
      @Little l All the best for you too thank you very much 
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      · 29 days ago
      @Fiona I wish you all the best 👍 hopefully before Xmas for you 
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      · 1 months ago
      @Little l It was a manager I spoke to before I wait the now because iam getting transferred to adult disability payment  on January I might hear then or before Christmas I hope
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      · 1 months ago
      @Fiona They are telling people date order that isn't the case like i said I'm Aug 2018 and the call was today maybe if you called and raised a complaint of how long you've been waiting 
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      · 1 months ago
      @Little l I haven't been contacted iam august 2017 
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    · 1 months ago
    Is it any new updates
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      · 1 months ago
      @Samantha Hepworth They put me through to a manager I spoke to about 2 or 3 weeks ago he told me it's date order it's very confusing I just feel it's dragging in
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      · 1 months ago
      @Fiona Have you called them the case manager was lovely with me but other lady not so much. So I know it's not in date order as mine is 2019
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      · 1 months ago
      @Samantha Hepworth I hope everything goes well for you iam august 2017 I thought I would maybe heard something by now
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      · 1 months ago
      @Fiona Hi Fiona yes a case manager called me Monday and she asked me questions from my 2019 claim. She said she would be looking at it this week. I had 3 missed calls today I thought it was pip but it wasn't the lady on phone (not case manager) she told me that the case manager as emailed another department for extra evidence and she told me to ring back next week but in the meantime my anxiety is through the roof thinking I have done something wrong I don't understand 
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    · 2 months ago
    I Never got a letter in 2018 2019 did not know i could put in a request to have it looked at again they told me the 13 months had passed that was many years ago i was so upset so i raised a complaint i was told up to 15 weeks to decide if it would be looked at i said why should i wait 15 weeks its not fair just to know if it can be looked at then  it was looked at inside 4 days  Then i got a call telling me it will be back dated from 2015 Amazing I had no help did it all myself but it was very stressful all i can say is get help but never ever give up there are some very good staff who work for the DWP  
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      · 26 days ago
      @Sean Hi Sean did they say how long your payment will take to clear i did ask for a call back to update when a decision was made but I didn't they have sent in letter form 22nd but I still havnt recieved letter very stressed as they didn't say on call when I rung just its been made and letter was in post same day do they work like pip and dla that money could go in before letter or does it state a date money to be received 
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      · 2 months ago
      @Kayakac Hope wee all hear soon
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      · 2 months ago
      @Sean Thanks for sharing updates, very pleased for you. It might take time but I hope we all get what we are owed eventually. 
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    · 2 months ago
    I phoned up pip for a up date I spoke to a lady she put me onto a manager he told me it's date order
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    · 2 months ago
    Any new up dates 
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    · 2 months ago
    Canary news site for most recent information on this.
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    · 2 months ago
    an update i put in for a mandatory consideration for 2016 to 2019 i recieved zero points even though i saw a psychiatrist and a mental health worker any how i applied way back in april and i phoned yesterday and said i will not get a reversal because i went to tribunal and they upheld the original dwp decision thats so unfair 
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    · 2 months ago
    I called the other day for an update and the woman put me through to another woman. She told me that they have only just finished with 2016 lol . I’m 2018. I’m confused because every time I have called someone has told me something different. But if what the woman said is true that they have only finished 2016 then that looks like I could be waiting years and years. Starting to frustrate me now lol 
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    · 3 months ago
    I was on high rate of both for an indefinite period on dla ,then it went to pip and I got enhanced mobility and standard care for 2 years ,then had to attend a face to face assessment for which my daughter attended with me , the report was a joke I went from a man to a women in two sentences, I appealed and eventually I recieved a call telling that I had now scored enough points for enhanced care and my award will be indefinite, so for two years they got it wrong 
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      · 1 months ago
      @Linzi Hi linzi did you work at the time ive just had a letter to say because i worked im not entitled even though i was under mental health services x
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      · 1 months ago
      @Richard scanlan If you don’t mind me asking how quick did u get ur backdated money. I got a call few days ago saying she’s awarding me the 2 points I’ve got extreme mental health and i didn’t have a clue what she was on about plus I don’t trust anyone who phones and didn’t believe she was deep but said I will receive a lump sum but didn’t say wen so thot I’d ask ty x
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    · 3 months ago
    Little update iv and my assessment for pip waiting the outcome called the mm line and the nice lady said because the reports in either way it swings renewal or not being successful she's put a note on system to update her in 4 weeks to see if there's an outcome then if there is 
    My mm review will take place and cam be upto 4 weeks for a call or letter back saying if I have been successful or not .... I'm really pleased with what she had told me all along I was just waiting to have my pip renewal done then they can jump into action so her words if payback is awarded from mm review I will have payment no later then the end of October this year 
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      · 3 months ago
      @Little l Thanks for keeping us updated, hopefully all goes smoothly and you have what your owed 
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    · 3 months ago
    Like I said a few posts ago , I said down the lines of I received an award review form. Sent it off like a month ago  so I rang up and the man we it could take months to hear back lol 
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    · 3 months ago
    Just called up again this morning to see where they was up to in regards to year date and month. The girl on the phone told me they do not give out that kind of information because they do not have any access to it. So yet again another different story they just seem to lie all the time never get a straight answer from them.
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      · 3 months ago
      @Little l Yeah it’s just luck of the draw 
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      · 3 months ago
      @Little l Wee all have to be patient to wait on ward I thought they might be working on 2017 18 iam from Aug 2017 hope we all get good news this year fingers crossed 
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      · 3 months ago
      @Fiona Hi Fiona I'm Aug 18 
      But there's been people that have herd back from years 19 20 
      So I don't think they are even doing date order 
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      · 3 months ago
      @Little l Hope it's true if it is this year what year are you iam 2017
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      · 3 months ago
      @Lukankitty She should've been able to let you know what year there doing 
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    · 3 months ago
    Does anyone know what year there still up to because  iam 2017
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      · 29 days ago
      @Bkaaag @Bkaaag hi did you get your update either call or letter regarding the decision and what out come did you have 
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      · 3 months ago
      @Bkaaag Fingers and toes crossed for you. 
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      · 3 months ago
      @Little l I called up on Friday morning and she said she was getting it looked at that afternoon…she said if she needs any more information to help with her decision she will get intouch with me other then that she said I will receive a letter or call in the next 7-10 days with my outcome I will keep updated 
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      · 3 months ago
      @Little l I haven’t heard yet I called them up on Friday morning and they said they was going to look at it that afternoon..she said if she needs anymore info to help her with her decision she will contact me other then that just wait for a letter or call coming in the next 7-10 days I will keep updated as soon as I hear anything 
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      · 3 months ago
      @Bkaaag Hi bkaaag did you hear back ? How was your outcome 
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    · 3 months ago
    the other day I received a letter from pip about my award review, I filled it out and sent it back, then yesterday I received a text from them saying that they received it , and they said they may contact me for more info or I may have to go for an assessment witch I don’t want to lol. 
    Has anything with the change of law got anything to do with this: 
    Just wondering 
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      · 3 months ago
      @Jack Hi Jack I thought the same but mines review first so hopefully get that out the way then they havnt got an excuse to use to not look into the law change as they kept saying cuz I'm under review they wouldn't process it until review with pip was done 
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      · 3 months ago
      @Little l Hi Little I
      it didn’t state on the letter about the law change , I just fort because my award was up for review that they might sort the law change situation out but I’m assuming I’m wrong lol , I have been flagged to be looked at 
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      · 3 months ago
      @Jack Hi Jack did it state it was to do with the law change or a pip renewal? 
      I'm flagged for the change in law and Monday the 12 I have my pip renewal by telephone call that I sent all paperwork and review booklet back Aug last year and they've just got round to do my review witch is happening by call by the 3rd party assessment people 
      I don't hold my breath every time iv ads to have review has been f2f and always lost my claim and had to fight with Mr declined that with all evidence and always submitted to court just before court hearing they have called and re estated award but has always been the lowest couldn't get the 1 point I needed for high rate care always sat at 11 points 

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