Pat McFadden, secretary of state for work and pensions, has revealed that the Timms review will issue its interim report before the parliamentary recess.  He also confirmed that the review has the power to recommend cuts to personal independence payment (PIP) and that he had personally asked them to look at “conditions like anxiety and depression, neurodiverse conditions and so on”.

McFadden was addressing the Commons Work and Pensions committee on 17 June.

On the timing of the review, he explained that there are “two very important reviews under way”: the Milburn report on young people and the Timms review.  

“I expect an interim report from the Timms review before the summer recess. Both reviews will give final reports before the end of the year. Depending on their conclusions, which I do not want to anticipate too much here, if legislative change is needed, it will come after that.”

The last day the House sits before the summer recess is Thursday, 16 July.

McFadden went on to confirm that the Timms review could recommend cuts to PIP, but not big increases: 

“In the terms of reference, we were sending a signal to the reviewers not to come forward with a big, increasing cost package. There is nothing to stop them coming forward with measures that reduce costs, but we did not want them to come forward with a review that simply says, “Let’s pay much more into the system.”

McFadden also revealed for the first time that he had personally asked members of the review to look at certain conditions:

“In particular, there has been an increase in conditions like anxiety and depression, neurodiverse conditions and so on. Is this benefit fit for purpose in the way that it is designed, in dealing with that variety of conditions? That is a very interesting question for the reviewers. When I went to speak to them a few months ago in one of their sessions, that is the question I put to them to consider.”

On the day after McFadden’s appearance before the committee, a Conservative peer put forward a private members bill that would end awards of the standard rate of PIP for claimants with a primary condition of anxiety, depression or ADHD.

The bill has no chance of becoming law, but it demonstrates a growing political consensus on reducing the cost of PIP awards for anxiety, depression and neurodiversity.

You can read the full transcript of the work and pensions committee meeting or watch it on Parliament TV

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    · 10 days ago
    Then I see another back bench rebellion as before.
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    · 10 days ago
    Are they ignorant or liars? PIP has no conditionality on work as it is to pay towards the extra costs of being disabled, whether you work or not. They also keep going on about PIP for mild anxiety etc. Do they not realise that most of us have many diagnoses and that they are listed in alphabetical order - therefore Anxiety, ADHD, ASD/Autism all come first, despite them not necessarily being the main diagnosis causing the claim? Given that there are currently 1 million more job seekers than jobs, what jobs can one search for?
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    · 10 days ago
    I think that they will seek to divide and conquer. They will target specific groups - the young disabled for instance - and specific conditions - such as mental distress. It is easier than a general attack on the disabled which was defeated by Labour MP’s last time. Those not in the attacked groups will feel relief it is not them…. This time. But let one part slide without a battle and it makes it easier for them to take the rest. We’ve already seen that people’s UC amounts have been reduced for future claimants. On it will go…. 
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    · 10 days ago
    They can’t even get the terminology right. He means neurodivergent. At least have basic knowledge before spouting nonsense to the public. 
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      · 10 days ago
      @Abby As a neurodivergent AuDHD woman, neurodiverse means the same to me as neurodivergent.

      Do you see a difference?
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    · 16 days ago
    Equality Act 2010 will defeat McFadden & others if they try to restrict people based on a Diagnosis of some MH conditions as it the the IMPAIRMENT that is assessed so if someone denied PIP for the same impairments because the impermanent is arising as a consequence of Mental Health conditions here PIP would be awarded for any other condition that caused the same impairment  is a clear cut discrimination under EA2010 & will immediately fail.

    They only way that can succeed is abolishing the Equality Act 2010. Surely McFadden & others know this & perhaps this is all performative as they know EA2010 will confound them?

    Any expert comments please?
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      · 10 days ago
      @AnthonyDDI Yes, I saw an interview where Farage said this. He also wants to make unemployment benefit cuts, by reducing any unemployment benefit claim to only last 6 months even if someone does not find a job. He wants to remove the Health Element from Universal Credit. Not sure how that will work out but he said that will free up millions to invest  in other areas
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      · 10 days ago
      @kriz If reform get in Nigel Ferage becomes the next Prime minister that's exactly what he's planning to do, or updating the act making it more difficult for you to challenge decisions ect
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    · 17 days ago
    Do you think it is more likely it less likely that this whole thing will focus more on younger than older claimants or are we equally potentially screwed
     I can see there being a repeat of the 2010s Tory attempt scenario if so coz many now will be fully aware of what happened back then, unfortunately. Fingers crossed we come out relatively unharmed. Sorry to paint such a dark picture of things.
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      · 10 days ago
      @Deb That's horrible.

      What a stunningly Draconian way of treating another human being. 


      What Oscar Wilde said has never been more true - youth os wasted on the young.

      That 20 year old work coach won't actually understand until she herself has similar issues later in her life.

      Did something fall out of the sky and suck every last scrap of empathy from humans, or os it just some of the civil servants who suffer from this uncaring lack? 

      My work coach, when we went for our interview and I told her I'd been on DLA or PIP since 2007 because of CFS, PEM, and other energy-type issues was my age (ish), early 60s, and practically sneered at me.

      "You don't work because you're a bit TIRED??!?" 

      Sigh. 

      Try migraine with vomiting and vagal syncope, with breathlessness and head to toe shaking, on top of spinal arthritis, on top of anxiety, depression, AuDHD, Addison's and a number of others. 

      My GP sent her a 6 month long "Fit [for nothing] Note".

      Not long after, the Health Element part of our new UC claim came through. 

      I''m fighting the urge to go in and see her on my next good day, just to blow her a big fat raspberry sent over the top of one upright finger...! 
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      · 10 days ago
      @Neil (real one) I noticed that they seem to "flip-flop" between the two. Some times there is a huge focus on the under 25's for a bit ( currently and when they first came into power at the general election) and then suddenly they were talking about how many in their 50s and early 60s were on UC on the health element as well as PIP and they were saying what a loss of skills this was from all the years people in their 50s and early 60s had to contribute and needed to be back in the workplace and retrained in computer skills, IT, telephone / online work type thing.  They said the older age group of sick and disabled mainly had mobility issues - which they thought would be solved via a number of ways - re-education being one. One lady I know, whose only 2 years away from retirement age, is being harrassed by her local JC to do training and she has authritis and they said to her it was not a disabilty, it was "just old age". She can hardly open her hands and type but they didnt seem to care. She said her work coach is in their 20s and seemed to lack empathy - also why put so much pressure on someone so close to retirement, clearly not really ready to work?  
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    · 18 days ago
    How about we stop having news stories that contain the words "could," "might," "maybe," and "it's possible?" Nobody knows, so it's not a news story, and such "news" articles are just scaring the crap out of people. So let's start worrying about things if and when they happen - which could be quite some time with a new leader taking over.  Benefits are ALWAYS going to be at risk from EVERY govt. So let's enjoy the times when there are no cuts announced and coalesce when something is actually proposed.
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      · 10 days ago
      @LionHeartCook You do not get benefits for anything mild let alone MH,which it is not about tbe condition,so this is clearky discrimation
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      · 10 days ago
      @pollenpath Agreed. There is no such thing as a mild disorder. Equating people feeling worried or experiencing low mood with anxiety and depression is ridiculous. 
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      · 16 days ago
      @LionHeartCook The term 'common mental health problems' should not be used to equivocate depression and anxiety solely with mild disorders, as both can manifest with severe, debilitating symptoms that significantly impair daily functioning. But that's what the government, the media, swathes of taxpayers and, by the looks of it, the Timms Review are all doing. 
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      · 17 days ago
      @pollenpath Aren't they only interested in Mild Mental health.
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      · 17 days ago
      @Mike Agreed. Sounds suspiciously like McFadden is using the Milburn report on NEETS as fodder to feed to the Timms Review committee. And maybe that will set a precedent for how they deal with older PIP claimants with 'common mental health problems'. 
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    · 18 days ago
    Are we being drip fed information about the up and coming changes to pip to ensure there will be no back lash from MPs like lastbyear
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    · 19 days ago
    Wes Streeting seems to be on his way to become the next chancellor, and I believe this is not a good news for us at all!
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    · 19 days ago
    So right, @ala - evil. (see below). It's not just that the door is open for endless add-ons, it's the ugly lack of acknowledgement of, and lumping together, conditions they find objectionable (don't believe exist), and suggesting snidely that 'we all know what we're talking about, right?', as if anxiety depression, neurodiversity are, in any case, 'conditions like' each other and as if there is a 'so on' list of conditions which can be dismissed as being like them.

    Sufferers experience medical conditions and disability in many different ways, which is why the pip assessment has so far supposed to have been finding out how claimants' lives are impacted, not boxing up named conditions in a 'do not qualify' category of miscellaneous ailments subjectively deemed undeserving.
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    · 19 days ago
    Cant see how they can work it.
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      · 16 days ago
      @LionHeartCook Agree. Equality Act 2010 will defeat them.
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    · 19 days ago
    Now that Kier Starmer has resigned as prime minister, is there a possibility that the interim report of the timms review will be delayed  and not be issued before the parliamentary recess.
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    · 19 days ago
    I have to be honest but I'm terrified right now, I can't afford to loose any of what I receive coz I got a mobility scooter which is expensive enough to maintain as it is and will be impossible if they pull the plug 🔌 on me in any way. I can't manage without it. I hope there isn't a repeat of what happened in the 2010s when the Tories had their go at it which resulted in at least Hundreds of people saying 'goodbye'. Oh god forbid if that happens.
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      · 17 days ago
      @Neil (real one) Cooky keep your Chin Up.
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      · 18 days ago
      @TheLordProtector Exactly.  Worry about it if it happens.
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      · 19 days ago
      @TheLordProtector I hope he gets a conscience from somewhere,TEMU, maybe and decides to leave us in peace for the most part anyway 
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      · 19 days ago
      @Neil (real one) Cooky  we don't know if Burnham's going too come after us yet.
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    · 19 days ago
    No-one gets awards for these conditions anyway. McFadden's talking  nonsense. Yet again, welfare policy appears to be being decided by bad actors  on Twitter.  
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      · 19 days ago
      @billkruse Contrary to the common myth, PIP is not awarded for a diagnosis itself, but for how the condition affects one's ability to carry out everyday tasks.

      The only condition for which PIP is awarded upon a diagnosis is when a medical professional expects one to live for 12 months or less, then their PIP claim will be fast-tracked under the Special Rules for End of Life, and they'll will automatically be awarded the enhanced rate of the daily living component on paper based assessment.
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    · 20 days ago
    My personal thinking is pip claimants only for severe mental health and physical conditions of which will be have to be diagnosed by NHS consultants for progressive and lifelong conditions with unfortunately no cure diseases ie Parkinson’s/muscluar drystrophy/MS and so forth and pip rates low and middle rates abolished. I think really deep down but I hope I’m wrong but we all know what’s going to happen any thing else is a bonus we all need to stay strong and just hope I’m wrong  
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      · 10 days ago
      @Diceman24 Pip is not based diagnoses,bexause 2 people could have the same condition but affected differently or if its some rare & dont get a diagnoses but are still suffering,also you can wait years for some diagnoses
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      · 17 days ago
      @bronc Looked it up on Google and yes it would breach of the Human Rights Act. When the Tories tried to make psychological distress not eligible for PIP mobility they lost in the High Court.

      Which is probably why the Blair Institute recommendation to make a list of health conditions not eligible for UC health, enabled claimants to use an occupational health specialist's report to refute the assumption of non eligibility and receive UC health. Presumably the think tanks and politicians advocating doing similar for PIP would also enable such evidence to be used to refute the assumption of non eligibility.

      It also makes me wonder about Labour last year narrowing the eligibility for Severe Conditions Criteria Group. From anyone who would qualify for LCWRA for life, to anyone who would meet the descriptors for life, so excluding those eligible due to substantial risk. That was obviously designed to target mental health, although it also effects things like heart conditions, etcetera.  
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      · 17 days ago
      @John Thanks for that analysis. I know this sounds naive but I have a couple of  questions for you. Surely by removing certain conditions, which those with them qualify as having a disability, from eligibility for PIP they are breaking the 2010 Equalities Act? To do this, would they not have to rewrite the stated purpose of PIP which currently is to help people with the extra costs of being disabled?
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      · 19 days ago
      @Diceman24 I had the same thoiughts
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      · 19 days ago
      @chips and gravy Good post
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    · 20 days ago
    “conditions like anxiety and depression, neurodiverse conditions and so on”

    "and so on” - tells us all we need to know about the obscene complacency of the ignorant, entitled.... and so on.

    "we were sending a signal to the reviewers not to come forward with a big, increasing cost package. There is nothing to stop them coming forward with measures that reduce costs, but we did not want them to come forward with a review that simply says, “Let’s pay much more into the system”

    Well we guessed that. There would, though, be plenty "to stop them coming forward with measures that reduce costs", if they had any clue as to the consequences of their decisions.
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      · 19 days ago
      @rookie "and so on" - I've missed that...   evil in the detal, as usual 
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    · 20 days ago
    As someone with autism and mental health, who understands how these conditions affects them, and how much they are disabling also to the point of leading to more stress, burnout, illness, more physical health problems and not being able to work, how dare he! 
    These are valid, these are disabilities under the equality act. They can affect us to a degree that we need PIP. 
    Also PIP isn’t related to work or based on actual conditions. 
    He’s using us as a target for cuts. 
    Blame is with the tabloids, Milburn, Tories, Reform, Blair all pushing rhetoric against mental health and neurodivergence.
    I will not go quietly. 
    I will keep fighting this. 
    Already emails ministers and my MP about these concerns. 
    PIP helps to cover costs but that also includes independence and stability. 
    Without it I would likely be in hospital. 
    These conditions must be included, must be taken seriously and not cut from PIP. Shame on you Pat. 
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      · 15 days ago
      @Catherine35 Totally agree with your comments.
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      · 19 days ago
      @Catherine35 If they're disabilities under the Equalities Act would that open the door to legal objection to any differentiation? 
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    · 20 days ago
    My Psychiatrist Report states I have "Mixed Anxiety & Depressive Disorder," along with "Emotionally Unstable Personality Disorder," "Body Dysmorphic Disorder," and "Obsessive Compulsive Disorder." These conditions have blighted me for 30+ years, and I have made multiple attempts on my life.
     
    Conditions such as Anxiety and Depression can be very serious and debilitating, and should never be downplayed, especially by ignorant MPs!
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      · 19 days ago
      @Dee Me too bpd bdd cptsd dyslexia and waiting adhd test 27 years this is horrnedous for us all i cant eat sleep i have a son pets that need me everyday im on the edge 
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    · 20 days ago
    Pat McFadden actually said people with anxiety or depression should not be receiving benefits at all.   Even Reform have said they would look at cutting benefits for mild depression/anxiety.  Pat McFadden looks like being more right wing than Reform in this.

    Governments have done this repeatedly, though, spoken about mental health conditions.  Then when it pans out, their actions look very different.

    Does anyone know how long major changes like removing financial payments to mental health claimants would take to put into practice?  I have a review next October, which will probably happen much earlier and retire in 2029.  I was just wondering if there was a chance I would escape it?
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      · 19 days ago
      @John Quoting you " paying only for direct costs caused by disability."

      We all have different disabilities and hence different needs. 

      Just ONE of my conditions (sorry if I put people off their lunch!) - what's left of my digestive system that hasn't been removed doesn't work properly - no cure, cannot tolerate the only medication that can help etc

      It's not unusual for me to be stuck in the loo for nearly an hour at a time (I go up to 20 times a day), and can zoom through 2 toilet rolls in one sitting, as well as multiple flushes. 
      Add in incontinence pads, clothing that gets soiled and needs washing etc. Would I get a voucher towards the pads, toilet roll, extra water, electric for washing, and extra clothes I need? How would that work? It is ongoing....not to mention my special diet that costs a small fortune. Without PIP I don't know how I would afford it.

      I have many other conditions too that have ongoing expenses. I think these people assume slap in a grab rail and job done, no further expenses!
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      · 20 days ago
      @axab43 If they do not change their plans and if they manage to get it through Parliament and if they include pre-existing claimants. It would most likely be after April 2027 or April 2028 with pre-existing claimants being effected when their current awards come up for reassessments. Note WCA is supposed to be abolished in April 2028 and PIP ongoing/indefinite awards are not reassessed just light touch reviewed. Also note awards maybe extended due to the DWP lacking the staff to do keep up with assessments/reassessments.

      Reform want to remove benefits from those with non severe mental health conditions and neurodevelopmental conditions. In speeches where they go into more detail they clarify they mean all except those with Severe mental health (conditions with psychosis as a symptom like schizophrenia, bipolar 1 with psychosis, etcetera), severe neurodevelopmental conditions (intellectual disabilities no other conditions appear to count), also exempt are those with post traumatic stress disorder (presumably because Reform associate it with military veterans).

      The Conservatives want to remove benefits for anxiety, depression, ADHD, Autism, and a list of other health conditions they think are minor and believe people are getting PIP for like tennis elbow and bed wetting, etcetera.

      So Labour want to go less far than Reform and the Conservatives. We await the Timms review report in the autumn to see if they want to go further. As they certainly did with the failed 4pt PIP rule.

      All three parties also appear to be considering reducing the amount of PIP some health conditions get. There are various think tanks recommending benefit amounts for health conditions are reduced in particular for mental health conditions, or replaced for all conditions by paying only for direct costs caused by disability, or by providing support in kind. The justification being to remove the cash incentive to be disabled. As if it is a aberrant lifestyle choice.

      As for the LibDems according to them far far too many people are getting PIP, the benefit is widely abused and a LibDem government would put a stop to that. How they don't say but as official fraud figures are near zero they would have to move the goal posts on who is eligible.
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    · 20 days ago
    I know one thing I wish they would rescind but know full well there's nothing chance of it happening and that is the changeover of LCWRA to UC health and the conditions and requirements that come along with it. It would be a massive relief to my peace of mind if they did though.
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      · 20 days ago
      @Neil (real one) Whether that changes may depend on whether Burnham keeps McFadden in place, replaces him with someone similarly bad, or replaces him with someone vaguely human. In the first two scenarios it's very unlikely anything will change. In the third scenario anything could happen, in which case no-one can claim to know what the outcome will be, and anyone who claims to know should be regarded with a healthy dose of scepticism.
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      · 20 days ago
      @Neil (real one) Not likely.